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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: To Sedes: Time's Running Out to Elect a New Pope!!!
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2021, 06:22:06 PM »
When we profess to believe all the truths that the Church teaches, what we are professing to believe is the rule of the ecclesiastical magisterium, which consists of the body of truths that the Church has taught as de fide (of the faith) over the centuries; and all the truths that the Church has proposed as de fide are infallibly true.


So are you a follower of Drew?

Re: To Sedes: Time's Running Out to Elect a New Pope!!!
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2021, 06:48:08 PM »

There’s no mention of the Pope in the act of faith.  

When we profess to believe all the truths that the Church teaches, what we are professing to believe is the rule of the ecclesiastical magisterium, which consists of the body of truths that the Church has taught as de fide (of the faith) over the centuries; and all the truths that the Church has proposed as de fide are infallibly true.
 


A papal mandate was not required during the days of Clement IV and Gregory, but it is today.  That's the point.  He is rejecting the present law in favor of a past law, which is precisely what Leo XIII forbids.

In past centuries, the Pope permitted Patriarchs and even secular princes to appoint bishops and consecrate them (or have them consecrated in the case of a secular prince) without explicit permission from Rome.  They only had to notify Rome after the fact.  That law was abandoned after the Council of Trent, and for the past four centuries a papal mandate has been required.

So, contrary to what Bishops Pivarunas would like his readers to believe, the interregnum between the papacy of Clement and Gregory had nothing do with the legitimacy of the episcopal consecration that took place at the time. They were legitimate because they were legal - in accord with ecclesiastical law.

But there’s more to it than that.

When bishops were (lawfully) consecrated without a papal mandate in past centuries, they were immєdιαtely appointed to an episcopal see that had been legitimately established by a Pope.  They weren’t illicitly consecrated to be vagus bishops with no authority or canonical mission, who then established mass centers where they illicitly administered the sacraments.   This has always been a no no.

Listen to what Cardinal Billot wrote about those who administer the sacraments without a canonical mission and hence illicitly.
 
 
I know there is no mention of the word Pope, you are the person who injected that word into my response to you.
As far as the mandate it is brought out "FORTIORI"   


  • The Latin term a fortiori is used to refer to an argument made from a previously made argument or previously proven fact. The original argument is considered to be stronger, or to come from a stronger basis than the second argument, therefore, the arguer presents the original claim to support his own, weaker claim.
  • In other words, you do not believe we are living in apostasy and requires an emergency situation when an invalid ɛƖɛctıon was wrought, you believe God's enemies can elect His Vicar and God MUST not be given the benefit of the doubt in order for the Church to continue, although smaller.  




Offline Emile

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Re: To Sedes: Time's Running Out to Elect a New Pope!!!
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2021, 06:52:27 PM »


But there's a difference between ambiguous partial truths and heresy, and in the current crisis, when the distinction is not made, it ends in disaster.  



 
Would you elaborate more? Seriously asking BTW not just looking for an argument.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: To Sedes: Time's Running Out to Elect a New Pope!!!
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2021, 07:17:44 PM »
But there's a difference between ambiguous partial truths and heresy, and in the current crisis, when the distinction is not made, it ends in disaster.  

Bergoglio's heresies are too numerous to recount.

But if you want to sum it up, it all boils down to religious indifferentism and the denial of EENS.

JP2 and B16 shared these, but Bergoglio adds moral heresies (whereas JP2 held the line on morals).

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: To Sedes: Time's Running Out to Elect a New Pope!!!
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2021, 07:20:44 PM »
In any case, I've never based the sedevacantist hypothesis on individual heresies of the papal claimants.  It's based on the same Major that Archbishop Lefebvre articulated, that this degree of systematic destruction is not compatible with the promise that the Holy Spirit would guide the papacy and, though the papacy, the Church.