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Offline PartyIsOver221

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Pray for me, as I struggle through the crisis
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2012, 03:29:07 PM »
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  • curious is way out there?

    Show me some papal docuмents saying BOD explicitly. Please.

    Otherwise, retract your comment on cc23.



    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    « Reply #31 on: February 05, 2012, 04:13:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: curiouscatholic23
    Even the majority of those in the SSPX, CMRI, SSPV, whatever.


    I think "the majority" is a stretch...

    Does the SSPV really teach invincible ignorance? I know the SSPX does, not sure about CMRI...
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #32 on: February 05, 2012, 04:34:27 PM »
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    Pius IX clearly stated about about how we would be arrogant to deny the depths of ignorance to cultures so far removed from Christianity.


    Could you cite a source on that, please? I'd like to see where Pope Pius IX said that.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #33 on: February 05, 2012, 04:35:44 PM »
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    I think prayer, the proper attitude, and a good [con]fessor will help me, by the grace of God.


    There. I fixed that for you.  :wink:

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    « Reply #34 on: February 05, 2012, 04:42:16 PM »
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    curious is way out there?


    Uh... Yes. I think this is one of those 'if you have to ask ' moments. CuriousCath, by his own admission has been a very confused fellow. But recently he's been so brainwashed by MHFM and has been preaching their heretical and anti-Catholic doctrine. Only you PIO who recognizes MHFM errors fail to point this out to him or guide him correctly, at least publically. The guy is a home-aloner- behold the fruits of MHFM.. and you continnually supprt him?


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    « Reply #35 on: February 06, 2012, 06:03:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jim
    My dear friends,

    I joined this forum several months ago because I came to embrace an extremely hardline SSPX/sedevacantist position. I've been wanting yo get several things off my chest for a while, and hear what fellow Catholics had to say.

    I didn't grow up traditional, but thanks to the internet, my "position" on the crisis has been changing almost constantly. From Wanderer type, to FSSPer, to SSPXer, and now sede.

    What at first kept me from calling myself a sedevacantist was the consequences of it. Very severe, horrifying consequences that I still don't want to deal with.

    Anyways, after looking at the issue, it appears to me, a simple layman, that SVism is the answer. However, I am racked by scruples and very, very afraid.

    The regular priest whose Mass I attend, who is 100% traditional and who helped me to practice my faith and change my life, was ordained in the New Rite by a bishop consecrated in the old rite. Before, I didn't worry, as only the "ut" was changed in the essential form. However, both Fr. Cekada and Mr. John Lane, both in different "camps" of sedevacantism, say that the removal of ut essentially makes his orders doubtful. If I am wrong here, please correct me.

    That means I essentially do not have access to valid sacraments, have invaldily received hundreds of times, and have invalidly confessed hundreds of times.

    Due to my own personal situation as well as being a weak and caring too much about human respect, what can I do? Tell my mother and the few people who care that we have to immediately stop attending that chapel, the we haven't received our Lord, and most importantly, everything you think the Church is really isn't, that BXVI et al aren't popes. I simply cannot do that, as I think it will destroy their faith.

    The consequences of sedevacantism boggle my mind, anger me, and scare me, all at the same time. I have only gone to a valid Mass fewer than 20 times in my life, and have only validly confessed a fraction of the time. Obviously, my confirmation is invalid. This is NO JOKE to me.

    If the people who say we cannot attend an una cuм Mass, valid orders or not, are correct, that means I haven't attended a licit Mass once my entire life. Imagine, not once. This truly scares me.

    What should I do? I am going to a Mass that some say is essentially idolatry, due to "doubtful" orders as well as una cuм. I am highly likely to be in mortal sin, since I haven't validly confessed.

    Occasionally, I am able to attend the Mass of a "regularized" priest who was earlier ordained sub conditione in the Duarte Costa line? Are those valid?


    This whole situation is terrible for me. I find myself being angry at non-sedes for not being sedes, the situation being so "clear" to me, yet I myself am not 100% convinced that it is absolutely true, and it has taken me years to even consider sedevacantism.

    Its terrible. Essentially one billion people are being duped, if the Novus Ordo is invalid, both rites of ordination are invalid, etc.


    Everyone please pray for this poor wretch. I write this with tears in my eyes. Sunday night I had to cry myself to sleep.


    I think someone else mentioned this, but I have heard that if you confess your sins to one who you truly believe to be a valid Priest, and you are sorry for them and intend not to commit them again, you are forgiven.  But being said, supposing it is even true, I would think a general Confession (where you confess all the sins of your past life to a valid Priest) is a must.

    Congradulations on getting the truth.  Even though the betrayal is dissappointing you no longer have to rack your brain trying to figure out why all these things are happening.  All the anomolies and aboritions are because there is no valid ruling head to teach, rule and sanctify the Church.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church