Author Topic: Prodinoscopus... (Read 4536 times)

Prodinoscopus · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2009, 07:29:54 PM »

CM, strictly speaking, LG does not say that the Muslims have God the Father revealed by His Son Jesus Christ. However, I've been mulling things over and I'm beginning to think that all of this hairsplitting about what constitutes explicit heresy might be missing the point. I might post some surprising things later (or I might not -- I still need to mull some more). Watch this space ...

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #22 on:** June 24, 2009, 01:30:15 AM »

Quote from: Caminus

The question is: what is "this opinion" to which Mortalium Animos refers.

Read the encyclical. Then, read JP2's works. The opinion is that all religions are more or less praiseworthy - something JP2 stated word for word multiple times. He put his money where his despicable mouth was, too, joining MYRIAD actions to his insane statements.

"...cogitatione, verbo, et opere..."

Caminus · « **Reply #23 on:** June 24, 2009, 02:36:07 AM »

The Pope said that statement rests upon another opinion which he stated just prior. You have to determine the presence of that opinion, not whether he made the statement that all religions are good and praiseworthy. You'll get no argument from me on that score. So egregious was his error on this that he thought the Council "re-defined" the nature of the Church. Assisi was but a manifestation of his ecclesiology. Don't make the mistake of thinking that just because I defend him from accusations of apostasy, I defend him pure and simple. Far from it. If there was anyone that could be suspected of heresy it was him. In fact, if one were to hold him as a heretic, I wouldn't be surprised at all, but overstating the case doesn't help. John Paul was absolutely the worse Pope in history. If Pope Agatho thought that Honorious was an "instrument of the Devil" for his mere private accomodation of one heresy, what would he have thought of John Paul?

CM · « **Reply #24 on:** June 24, 2009, 04:45:02 AM »

Quote from: Caminus

If Pope Agatho thought that Honorious was an "instrument of the Devil" for his mere private accomodation of one heresy, what would he have thought of John Paul?

Why, that he was an apostate antipope, of course. :rolleyes: