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Thank you for explaining what happened.  I thought it was getting kind of strident with him -- and he wasn't making a lot of sense in discussions, so there must have been something a bit "off" there.  Now that you have explained this, it all adds up.  I think all the clues were there, but we don't want to presume the worst about someone so maybe that's why we didn't ask him if he thinks the Resistance is a bad thing.  

I know a traditional priest who thinks that sedevacantism and the Resistance are both sinful -- but he has nothing to do with the NovusOrdo.  I guess you could say he's a Fellayite, but he's not SSPX either.  

It seems God has given us a pope with such dire inadequacy so that it shakes us to the core.


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That doesn't make sense.

Jut what doesn't make sense, Poche?

Thanks Poche, that clears up "that". Yes I agree.

Many sedevacantists hold this opinion.

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Yes, but most do not presume to elevate their opinion to a dogma and proceed to judge and condemn others upon it as if they are the missing Pope!  I personally take the R & R position, but have friends who are sedevacantists and even a few who believe Bp. Fellay is on the right path!  This is not a matter where we, as individual laity have the right to judge one another, whether we are Catholic or not!  We can judge the doctrine, but lacking God's Authority, we dare not presume to issue personal imprimatae or condemnations.  
As Bp. Williamson wisely stated at the 25th Anniversary in Vienna, VA, "These are confusing times.  We need to allow one another plenty of room, and above all else, to have charity." (paraphrase)
If TimeToFight is willing to cease condemning individual souls and confine his anathemas to ideas and actions, he should be taken back.  

I didn't give a complete quote of the offending text -- probably because it was offending text!  I hate to give people a platform for such nonsense.

He used the words "non-Catholic" and "state of sin" for all others. He seemed to justify in his own mind those in the Novus Ordo who recognize and follow the Pope, but not the R&R position.

That's just screwed up. He literally thinks those in the SSPX are schismatic and in a state of sin.

He is one of those extremists who doesn't "check his work" if you know what I mean. On paper, I understand how he got to this conclusion. But come on! Look at your conclusions and see if they past the smell test -- as well as common sense (if you have any).

Novus Ordo attendees (most of whom are barely distinguishable from protestants -- not just their lifestyle but their mentality) being considered Catholic, while SSPX attendees (who are NOT distinguishable in their daily lives from a "good Sedevacantist") being non-Catholic schismatic mortal sinners? Give me a break!

Why wouldn't a decent portion of these "mortal sinners" engage in other sins, rather than doing so darn much penance, spiritual reading, yearly retreats, frequent Mass, frequent confession, etc.? And why not have a TV to help drown out that conscience?

As I learned in Catechism class, it's morally impossible to have a man who loves his wife, is faithful to her, pays his taxes, gives money to the Church and the poor, prays his daily Rosary, frequents Mass and the Sacraments...but he's a hitman for a living. That just doesn't happen in real life.

You can't be in grievous sin about one thing and stay "squeaky clean" -- even progressing in virtue -- in everything else. Unless one were somehow invincibly ignorant that the thing was a grievous sin -- in which case it wouldn't be grievous sin!

Like I said, it doesn't make sense, and I won't be called a mortal sinner (even in a blanket or sight unseen manner) on my own forum. That's where I draw the line.

Some people just aren't cut out to philosophize. Having run a forum for years, I'm convinced of this. And looking at the "modern philosophers" that caused so much trouble, I have proof.

Good decision. In retrospect, he should have been dealt with a couple of weeks ago, when he tried to start a rumor about Fr. Pfeiffer.

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That doesn't make sense.

Jut what doesn't make sense, Poche?

How such extreme oposites could be the only postitions which are correct and every body else is in some kind of sin.

Basically he's saying that R&R is not Catholic, that if you believe he's the pope you must submit, and the only justification for not submitting is if he's not the pope.

Many sedevacantists hold this opinion.

The ones that do are stupid.

The idea that a bad pope must be followed in all things is ridiculous. It's just like saying that if you accept your father & mother as your parents, you must obey them in all things including sin.

Ridiculous.

Catholic doctrine is not ridiculous. Ergo, it's not Catholic doctrine.