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Time of Confusion - like the time of Judges
« on: September 16, 2021, 04:01:29 PM »
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  • This quote reminds me SO MUCH of our own times of confusion. Just read this! One of the GOOD GUYS, an Israelite, seemingly of good will, started a new false God!

    Judges chapter 17:

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    The history of the idol of Michas, and the young Levite.

    [1] There was at that time a man of mount Ephraim whose name was Michas, [2] Who said to his mother: The eleven hundred pieces of silver, which thou hadst put aside for thyself, and concerning which thou didst swear in my hearing, behold I have, and they are with me. And she said to him: Blessed be my son by the Lord. [3] So he restored them to his mother, who said to him: I have consecrated and vowed this silver to the Lord, that my son may receive it at my hand, and make a graven and a molten god, so now I deliver it to thee. [4] And he restored them to his mother: and she took two hundred pieces of silver and gave them to the silversmith, to make of them a graven and a molten god, which was in the house of Michas. [5] And he separated also therein a little temple for the god, and made an ephod, and theraphim, that is to say, a priestly garment, and idols: and he filled the hand of one of his sons, and he became his priest.

    [6] In those days there was no king in Israel, but every one did that which seemed right to himself. [7] There was also another young man of Bethlehem Juda, of the kindred thereof: and he was a Levite, and dwelt there. [8] Now he went out from the city of Bethlehem, and desired to sojourn wheresoever he should find it convenient for him. And when he was come to mount Ephraim, as he was on his journey, and had turned aside a little into the house of Michas, [9] He was asked by him whence he came. And he answered: I am a Levite of Bethlehem Juda, and I am going to dwell where I can, and where I shall find a place to my advantage. [10] And Michas said: Stay with me, and be unto me a father and a priest, and I will give thee every year ten pieces of silver, and a double suit of apparel, and thy victuals.

    [11] He was content, and abode with the man, and was unto him as one of his sons. [12] And Michas filled his hand, and had the young man with him, for his priest, saying: [13] Now I know God will do me good, since I have a priest of the race of the Levites.


    Similarly, there might be such confused men of good will in the Indult, for example. But like the Israelites in the time of the Judges, there was much ignorance and confusion among the populace.

    For example, a group of Indult Catholics might have a gathering, and to show how "trad" they are, they might say the Rosary together -- in Latin -- even though few can do it. Meanwhile, the "regular" family Rosary in English is probably not said the other 6 days of the week, and these same people don't care about how the Rite of Ordination/Consecration changed after Vatican II, nor have any problems with receiving "communion" "consecrated" at a Novus Ordo Mass (if the NOM is invalid), or stepping on Sacred Particles from a previous Novus Ordo Mass (if the NOM is valid), as they attend the so-called "Latin Mass" at their SHARED FACILITY (cathedral, church, etc. which offers both the "Latin Mass" and the Novus Ordo). It's not that they're hypocritical -- it's that they are confused.

    In short, their priorities are all screwed up. They TRY to be Trad, maybe their heart is even in the right place, but objectively speaking they are like the blind leading the blind. The chain of Tradition has been broken for them, and they are trying to re-discover Catholicism from scratch. There is no unbroken line teaching them how to be Catholic -- how to keep everything in its proper place and proportion.
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    Re: Time of Confusion - like the time of Judges
    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2022, 07:04:37 PM »
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  • Incredible story.  Thx. 


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    Re: Time of Confusion - like the time of Judges
    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2022, 07:40:47 PM »
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    In those days there was no king in Israel, but every one did that which seemed right to himself.
    What are you trying to say here, Matthew? :cowboy:
    "For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:" [2 Tim. 4:3]

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "For the letter killeth, but the spirit quickeneth." [2 Cor. 3:6]

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    Re: Time of Confusion - like the time of Judges
    « Reply #3 on: May 22, 2022, 05:35:51 AM »
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  • I actually re-posted this again in another thread.

    I'm obviously drawing a parallel between the time of the Judges, and the current Crisis in the Church.

    As "the Church in normal times" recedes into the olden days, and the olden days into the time of legend -- it becomes easier to go off-course, even for those of good will.

    The lack of a king in Israel during that time, and our own period of Crisis where we EFFECTIVELY (at least) don't have a pope (or a pope who does his job, or a pope that acts like one, etc.) -- is very similar. Whether the Pope has no office, his office is impeded, on hold, held by someone else in secret, or just needs to be disobeyed when he oversteps his authority -- we mortals can't get to the bottom of that without divine help. Anyone who thinks that mere men are going to solve this Crisis is NEW to Tradition and/or hasn't been paying attention!

    Never downplay the Crisis. You can't over-exaggerate how serious it is. We have (apparent?) popes promoting Liturgy and doctrines that tend to destroy the Faith itself, and popes that have -- to varying degrees -- torn down the Church with their own hands. I'm sorry, but that makes the Great Schism, the Arian Heresy, the early Church Roman persecutions, or the Protestant Revolt look like "the good old days". 

    Am I Sedevacantist? No, but one doesn't need to be. Don't downplay the "Resist" part of the "Recognize and Resist" equation. The devil is in the details. One can go too far during a time of Crisis. I personally believe disobeying whoever/whatever "Francis" is, is required of every Catholic. I don't know all the nuances of the mystery -- only that we have to survive with our Faith intact.

    But that's my point -- everyone is doing "what seems right to himself" during the Crisis. Some thing that entails declaring the Holy See vacant (for 63+ years). Others even go further, saying that we must elect a Pope even if there is little chance he will be universally accepted ("Conclavist Sedevacantists"). Others say we don't need to follow the Pope if that means losing the Faith -- deposing (or declaring him deposed) is neither possible nor necessary. That's me. Others (Indult) think that one must stay on the good side of Authority, accepting whatever scraps the bad guys throw at you, and just hope for the best.

    Which of those groups has the right to condemn the others? None of the above. God hasn't endorsed or chosen a side yet. So we are all free to choose whatever path prudence dictates is appropriate for ourselves and our particular family.

    Will some men of bad will -- both laity and clergy -- take advantage of this chaos, to make life more convenient for themselves, to enrich themselves, and in general to be selfish? YOU BET. There is no way around that. That is why God will judge each of us. So yes, do your best, do what you gotta do, fight who you gotta fight, attend Mass where you please (or not) -- but remember always that life is short, and God can read your inmost heart. God as your judge will be extremely thorough: He knows all your motivation(s) for each and every one of your actions throughout life, and you won't get *anything* past Him.
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