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Re: Thuc Superpowers!
« Reply #105 on: November 04, 2025, 05:07:32 PM »
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  • Looks like Fr. Zepeda saw this coming:

    https://imgur.com/a/8lh9Qm3

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    Re: Thuc Superpowers!
    « Reply #106 on: November 04, 2025, 05:53:42 PM »
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  • Taken from Fideliter 66, November-December 1988

    (Notice how in 1988, Archbishop Lefebvre does not call Fr. Guérard Deslauriers “Bishop” even though he was “consecrated” in1981. He also says about Munari, “the one who is called Monsignor Munari.” Munari was “consecrated”a bishop in 1987 by Guérard des Lauriers. The Archbishop does not acknowledge them as bishops.)

    Archbishop Lefebvre: “I think that it is maybe necessary to take care to avoid anything that could show, by expressions a little too hard, our disapproval of those who leave us. Do not label them with epithets which can be taken a little injuriously, it is useless, it is the other way around. You see, personally, I've always had this attitude among those who have left us, and God knows how many in the course of the history of the Society have left us; the history of the Society is almost a history of separations, isn’t it? I always believed, as a principle: No more relations. It's over. They are leaving us, they are going towards other pastors, other shepherds. No more relations. They tried, just as well I would say, those who left as sedevacantists, like those who left because we were not papists enough etc. All have tried to lead us into a polemic. I received letters from Father Guérard des Lauriers with lawsuit threats, didn’t they, if I did not answer? I threw it in the garbage - never replied. I never replied one word. Neither Monsignor, I mean the one who is called "Monsignor Munari"and the others, northe fourteen (or thirteen) of America, nor Cantoni who left us, nor the other Italians who left us. I never replied.

    This is what I said to Dom Gerard: "Dom Gérard you will never hear from me anynore, I will not set foot at your place. I will not write to you anymore and when you will write to me, I will not answer you. You will not hear a word from me. It is over. I consider you like those who have left us, like Fr. Bisig, like Dom Augustin, like the others who have left us. That’s it. I pray for you but it's over. We will not have contact anymore." This way they can’t ever pull out, none of them, from their sleeve, I would say, a letter [saying]; This is how the Archbishop treated me. This is what he told me. Because if one writes, the sole fact of writing, and it is false to claim: “See, I agree with the Archbishop. He wrote to me again 8 days ago.” So then, we would have almost had to denounce it right away. But I wrote, I didn’t say that I agree, and we write another letter, and we begin another polemic. It is over. We cannot. We cannot play that game. We have to leave them behind. I think there is nothing better to make them reflect and then bring them back to us eventually, if there are some, and there are not many who came back. But at least for eventually and in any case, they cannot say that we were unpleasant towards them or that we did them wrong. No. I think it's the best method, you know, except of course, when there are statements that are absolutely false. Then we must publish a communique to rectify them like the superior general for the declaration of Dom Gerard. It is normal but it is necessary to say for correspondence that is established, we could do it indefinitely, and then we come, in fact,easily and unfortunately to say things that we regret a little to have said, which are not charitable. That’s it. Thank you.

    Archbishop Lefebvre published in part in Fideliter 66 November-December 1988, p. 27-31.


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    Re: Thuc Superpowers!
    « Reply #107 on: November 04, 2025, 08:08:34 PM »
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  •  Good night. :sleep:

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    Re: Thuc Superpowers!
    « Reply #108 on: November 05, 2025, 01:22:01 AM »
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  • Looks like Fr. Zepeda saw this coming:

    https://imgur.com/a/8lh9Qm3


    You have a poor grasp of what an ad hominem is.

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    « Reply #109 on: November 05, 2025, 01:22:40 AM »
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  • The Angelus, while failing to quote from it, claimed +Thuc published the letter...go fetch

    So far as I know it we dont have it.



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    Re: Thuc Superpowers!
    « Reply #110 on: November 05, 2025, 01:26:19 AM »
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  • Taken from Fideliter 66, November-December 1988

    (Notice how in 1988, Archbishop Lefebvre does not call Fr. Guérard Deslauriers “Bishop” even though he was “consecrated” in1981. He also says about Munari, “the one who is called Monsignor Munari.” Munari was “consecrated”a bishop in 1987 by Guérard des Lauriers. The Archbishop does not acknowledge them as bishops.)

    Archbishop Lefebvre: “I think that it is maybe necessary to take care to avoid anything that could show, by expressions a little too hard, our disapproval of those who leave us. Do not label them with epithets which can be taken a little injuriously, it is useless, it is the other way around. You see, personally, I've always had this attitude among those who have left us, and God knows how many in the course of the history of the Society have left us; the history of the Society is almost a history of separations, isn’t it? I always believed, as a principle: No more relations. It's over. They are leaving us, they are going towards other pastors, other shepherds. No more relations. They tried, just as well I would say, those who left as sedevacantists, like those who left because we were not papists enough etc. All have tried to lead us into a polemic. I received letters from Father Guérard des Lauriers with lawsuit threats, didn’t they, if I did not answer? I threw it in the garbage - never replied. I never replied one word. Neither Monsignor, I mean the one who is called "Monsignor Munari"and the others, northe fourteen (or thirteen) of America, nor Cantoni who left us, nor the other Italians who left us. I never replied.

    This is what I said to Dom Gerard: "Dom Gérard you will never hear from me anynore, I will not set foot at your place. I will not write to you anymore and when you will write to me, I will not answer you. You will not hear a word from me. It is over. I consider you like those who have left us, like Fr. Bisig, like Dom Augustin, like the others who have left us. That’s it. I pray for you but it's over. We will not have contact anymore." This way they can’t ever pull out, none of them, from their sleeve, I would say, a letter [saying]; This is how the Archbishop treated me. This is what he told me. Because if one writes, the sole fact of writing, and it is false to claim: “See, I agree with the Archbishop. He wrote to me again 8 days ago.” So then, we would have almost had to denounce it right away. But I wrote, I didn’t say that I agree, and we write another letter, and we begin another polemic. It is over. We cannot. We cannot play that game. We have to leave them behind. I think there is nothing better to make them reflect and then bring them back to us eventually, if there are some, and there are not many who came back. But at least for eventually and in any case, they cannot say that we were unpleasant towards them or that we did them wrong. No. I think it's the best method, you know, except of course, when there are statements that are absolutely false. Then we must publish a communique to rectify them like the superior general for the declaration of Dom Gerard. It is normal but it is necessary to say for correspondence that is established, we could do it indefinitely, and then we come, in fact,easily and unfortunately to say things that we regret a little to have said, which are not charitable. That’s it. Thank you.

    Archbishop Lefebvre published in part in Fideliter 66 November-December 1988, p. 27-31.


    Yes, one wonders if it is worthwhile with these Thuc line lunatics.

    I do enjoy watch them scramble in the face of hard truth though.

    Its for the quiet lurker out there trying to discern whether they should go to their local Thuc Mass that I am doing this.

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    Re: Thuc Superpowers!
    « Reply #111 on: November 05, 2025, 04:52:10 AM »
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  • So far as I know it we dont have it.
    So what you are saying is, aside from a single reference (not even a quote) in the Angelus, you have zero evidence that it exists? And this is what you are basing your argument off of? :jester:

    You better go find that mythical letter, Tommy! Go on git it boy..git it! :laugh2:
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    Re: Thuc Superpowers!
    « Reply #112 on: November 05, 2025, 06:40:55 AM »
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  • You have a poor grasp of what an ad hominem is.
    The irony.
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    Re: Thuc Superpowers!
    « Reply #113 on: November 05, 2025, 06:47:29 AM »
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  • So what you are saying is, aside from a single reference (not even a quote) in the Angelus, you have zero evidence that it exists? And this is what you are basing your argument off of? :jester:

    You better go find that mythical letter, Tommy! Go on git it boy..git it! :laugh2:
    Unless you just want Thuc to be true against all odds, then no reasonable person has reason to doubt the article. 

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    « Reply #114 on: November 05, 2025, 06:49:24 AM »
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  • The irony.
    Your post had no argument. None. Just some personal attack.
    It wasnt me by the way, but I think I know the account he is talking about.

    The Thuc line has enough foolishness to dig its own grave anyway. I'll be starting a whole series on Thuc line antiques.

    Strap in folks, only getting started...

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    « Reply #115 on: November 05, 2025, 06:52:00 AM »
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  • Your post had no argument. None. Just some personal attack.
    It wasnt me by the way, but I think I know the account he is talking about.

    The Thuc line has enough foolishness to dig its own grave anyway. I'll be starting a whole series on Thuc line antiques.

    Strap in folks, only getting started...
    You missed the forest for the trees. Fr. Zepeda, along with many others, have already made the arguments. His FB post is just a summation of "Thuc Derangement Syndrome."
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    « Reply #116 on: November 05, 2025, 07:05:09 AM »
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  • You missed the forest for the trees. Fr. Zepeda, along with many others, have already made the arguments. His FB post is just a summation of "Thuc Derangement Syndrome."
    The only derangement is in the minds of people who follow the line of a clearly mentally ill Bishop who couldnt decide whether he was Traditional or Novus Ordo from one day to the next.

    It's not a bad thing to care about souls being led astray by this nonsense.

    Oh and any cursory reading of Church history shows that there will never be a shortage of smart priests to make bad arguments. So it means nothing to have all these insecure Thucists positing fancy sounding arguments in favor of Thuc. 

    It's all posturing.

    Emotionally balanced people see through it.

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    « Reply #117 on: November 05, 2025, 07:14:38 AM »
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  • Unless you just want Thuc to be true against all odds, then no reasonable person has reason to doubt the article.
    According to Tom here, asking for what exactly +Thuc said is unreasonable. Asking for any evidence of this alleged "published" letter is unreasonable..because there is absolutely no chance at all that the writer of the Angelus article, who did not even quote from the alleged letter, was mistaken :popcorn:
    You better git to findin that letter, boy!

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    Re: Thuc Superpowers!
    « Reply #118 on: November 05, 2025, 08:09:35 AM »
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  • Unless you just want Thuc to be true against all odds, then no reasonable person has reason to doubt the article.
    Reposted from Laidslaus... maybe you can read this time. Ladislaus has posted something along these ground many times before.

    No evidence has ever been produced of these allegations of his having withheld his intention.


    So this false allegation appears to have originated ironically with Father Cekada's smear job against Archbishop Thuc entitled "Two Bishops in Every Garage".

    Here's a screenshot of the actual article ... you can find copies of this online.




    So this appears to be quoting (with ample ellipses) from some "French newsletter", in which there's partial quotation from his statement to Bishop des Lauriers about how he could not celebrate alone that day (Holy Thursday).

    But the following appears to be a commentary from the author of the news letter, staring with "It happens that it was a false concelebration ..."

    But why does the article say this?  Because +Thuc had not receive COMMUNION.  Cekada then idiotically butchers this into a simulation of the Sacrament, which then it appears to be the author of the newsletter's opinion that +Thuc had not actually PARTICIPATED in the Mass because he did not RECEIVE COMMUNION, not that +Thuc somehow withheld his intention to consecrat the host.

    So, basically, then, by way of the "telephone game", Cekada's claim that he had "simulated" because of the "false concelebration" got twisted into the typical way to simulate a Sacrament, namely, by withholding intention to consecrate.

    Then an 1982 article by The Angelus, twisted this yet again into Thuc having withheld his intention for the Palmar consecrations ... but that has never been alleged by anyone.  +Thuc in fact admitted having done those ordinations / consecrations but then repudicated them after Clemente claimed to become Pope.  So ... Cekada also lies in this defamatory article when he claims that +Thuc consecrated Clemente after the latter told him that Paul VI had appeared to designate him the Pope. Uhm ... Clemente only LATER declared himself pope, well after the ordination / consecration by +Thuc, and that was what caused +Thuc to denounce him and express regret.

    So ironically this original smear-job by Cekada became twisted into multiple forms down the road.
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    Re: Thuc Superpowers!
    « Reply #119 on: November 05, 2025, 12:39:51 PM »
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  • Reposted from Laidslaus... maybe you can read this time. Ladislaus has posted something along these ground many times before.

    No evidence has ever been produced of these allegations of his having withheld his intention.


    So this false allegation appears to have originated ironically with Father Cekada's smear job against Archbishop Thuc entitled "Two Bishops in Every Garage".

    Here's a screenshot of the actual article ... you can find copies of this online.




    So this appears to be quoting (with ample ellipses) from some "French newsletter", in which there's partial quotation from his statement to Bishop des Lauriers about how he could not celebrate alone that day (Holy Thursday).

    But the following appears to be a commentary from the author of the news letter, staring with "It happens that it was a false concelebration ..."

    But why does the article say this?  Because +Thuc had not receive COMMUNION.  Cekada then idiotically butchers this into a simulation of the Sacrament, which then it appears to be the author of the newsletter's opinion that +Thuc had not actually PARTICIPATED in the Mass because he did not RECEIVE COMMUNION, not that +Thuc somehow withheld his intention to consecrat the host.

    So, basically, then, by way of the "telephone game", Cekada's claim that he had "simulated" because of the "false concelebration" got twisted into the typical way to simulate a Sacrament, namely, by withholding intention to consecrate.

    Then an 1982 article by The Angelus, twisted this yet again into Thuc having withheld his intention for the Palmar consecrations ... but that has never been alleged by anyone.  +Thuc in fact admitted having done those ordinations / consecrations but then repudicated them after Clemente claimed to become Pope.  So ... Cekada also lies in this defamatory article when he claims that +Thuc consecrated Clemente after the latter told him that Paul VI had appeared to designate him the Pope. Uhm ... Clemente only LATER declared himself pope, well after the ordination / consecration by +Thuc, and that was what caused +Thuc to denounce him and express regret.

    So ironically this original smear-job by Cekada became twisted into multiple forms down the road.
    My one, and only, interaction with Fr. Cekada, God rest his soul, was not a good one.

    I had written to +Dolan, God rest his soul, asking a question.  Knowing me well, but being a busy man, he referred my question to Fr. Cekada for a reply.  

    Like many trads, Fr. Cekada assumed and extrapolated ideas about me in his tirade of a reply.

    I thanked Fr. Cekada for his reply and ended the conversation.

    +Dolan, wrote back to me, apologizing for Fr. Cekada's behaviour and answered my question himself.