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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 01:28:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 08:34:04 AM
    After Clemente came out as Pope, +Thuc repdiated the group and said he no longer had any association with them, and then asked for the excommunication to be lifted by the Vatican, and the latter complied.

    I have searched far and wide for allegation made The Angelus, and have found absolutely no independent confirmation (just people citing it), and not source for it ever cited.

    This is an invented criteria by Dogmatic sedes. That we have to see the original letter.

    The credible publication of Angelus press gives us enough reason to cast doubt. Not to say for sure. Just doubt.

    And so we must go ask the man himself.

    But can't. He's dead. 

    Therefore conditional consecrations are needed.
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 01:49:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 01:26:39 PM
    You're right!

    It is over!

    Lol, you have no new arguments. And you refuse to see that you are all just so blinded by your sedevacantism that you can't see reason on the Thuc question.
    Nope, it's the same reason I don't go around casting doubt on +Lefebvre and his line of bishops and priests..I'm not a cultist who demands all Catholics to join my little group and reject others.

    I've never been to a mass said by a +Thuc line priest, have been to a sedevacantist mass once, and probably will not go to many in the future as most refuse the sacraments to "Feeneyites"
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 02:32:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on November 11, 2025, 06:41:37 PM


    Remember, +Lefebvre isn't just the SSPX, but all the priests who left it over the years, the Resistance, SSPV, etc.

    And when God raises up a saint, with the hand of Providence heavy upon him, such that anyone with the Faith can see the hand of God in his life and career, it is morally impossible for that man to be a fountainhead of hundreds of fake priests, hundreds of thousands of invalid sacraments, etc. Yes, I know the Novus Ordo has validity issues. But it's the Novus Ordo (looks Lutheran), not the Tridentine Mass. Souls of good will, those seeking God first, those with zero human respect CAN wake up to the reality and save themselves. There are things God just wouldn't allow. God is good. Even in temptations and trials, God *always* gives us an "out". He gives us a fighting chance. No one is going to convince me EVER that God would participate in a conspiracy of deceit, with no chance of seeing the problem, or no way out.

    As Tom Nelson taught me, you don't have a man who loves his wife, pays his taxes, mows his lawn, takes care of his kids, goes to Church, but he's a hitman.

    It seems near-blasphemous (minus the "near") to me, to suggest that God is less than competent. He could guide +Lefebvre to perfectly be trained, prepared, and positioned to play all these important roles in this age of the Church -- but OOPS! somehow we forgot to figure out a way to make him a real priest/bishop. May God forgive you for what you are implying about Him!

    For every 10,000 Trads, about 8,000 of them have +Lefebvre to indirectly thank for their Mass. Just a rough estimate, but I'm not off by much.
    Even many sede groups have +Lefebvre to thank somewhat, because the latter brought attention and media coverage to the existence of the Traditional Movement. Many who are sede "today" weren't warming the pews at a sede chapel originally.

    Agreed!

    And to give even stronger resonance to the above I quote from the Archbishop's famous and most inspiring 1988 Consecration.  I have every reason to believe that the prelate that the Blessed Virgin Mary spoke of as referred to by the Archbishop in the passage below was indeed the Archbishop, himself.
    "Just recently, the priest who takes care of the Society priory in Bogota, Colombia, brought me a book concerning the apparition of Our Lady of “Buen Suceso,”—of “Good Fortune,” to whom a large church in Quito, Ecuador, was dedicated. They were received by a nun shortly after the Council of Trent, so you see, quite a few centuries ago. This apparition is thoroughly recognized by Rome and the ecclesiastical authorities; a magnificent church was built for the Blessed Virgin Mary wherein the faithful of Ecuador venerate with great devotion a picture of Our Lady, whose face was made miraculously. The artist was in the process of painting it when he found the face of the Holy Virgin miraculously formed. And Our Lady prophesied for the 20th century, saying explicitly that during the 19th century and most of the 20th century, errors would become more and more widespread in Holy Church, placing the Church in a catastrophic situation. Morals would become corrupt and the Faith would disappear. It seems impossible not to see it happening today.

    I excuse myself for continuing this account of the apparition, but she speaks of a prelate who will absolutely oppose this wave of apostasy and impiety—saving the priesthood by forming good priests. I do not say that prophecy refers to me. You may draw your own conclusions. I was stupefied when reading these lines but I cannot deny them, since they are recorded and deposited in the archives of this apparition."  See https://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/Archbishop_Lefebvre_and_the_Vatican/Part_I/1988-06-30.htm and https://sspx.org/en/1988-episcopal-consecrations-sermon-30926?utm_source=chatgpt.com


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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #48 on: Today at 01:18:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 01:49:02 PM
    Nope, it's the same reason I don't go around casting doubt on +Lefebvre and his line of bishops and priests..I'm not a cultist who demands all Catholics to join my little group and reject others.

    I've never been to a mass said by a +Thuc line priest, have been to a sedevacantist mass once, and probably will not go to many in the future as most refuse the sacraments to "Feeneyites"


    There is a crises in the Church and the question a normal Catholic should ask themselves is "Where is the remnant? Where is the fullness of the Catholic Truth that I know by Faith will last until the end of time?". 

    Is it still with the Novus Ordo. Obviously not. Is it with the Thuc line? Obviously not.
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #49 on: Today at 04:47:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Today at 01:18:35 AM

    There is a crises in the Church and the question a normal Catholic should ask themselves is "Where is the remnant? Where is the fullness of the Catholic Truth that I know by Faith will last until the end of time?".

    Is it still with the Novus Ordo. Obviously not. Is it with the Thuc line? Obviously not.

    And of course, with that lack of logical reasoning, you fall into the grave error of making the pope into nothing more than a figurehead and a “relic of the past”. Seeing this lack of logic I coined the term “the church of the superfluous pope”, several years ago.

    I wonder, when we do get a true pope, if you R&R people will sift through his words and acts to make sure they are orthodox according to your subjective standards or will you unreservedly submit to his teachings and direction on matters of faith and morals?
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #50 on: Today at 04:59:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on Today at 04:47:13 AM
    And of course, with that lack of logical reasoning, you fall into the grave error of making the pope into nothing more than a figurehead and a “relic of the past”. Seeing this lack of logic I coined the term “the church of the superfluous pope”, several years ago.

    I wonder, when we do get a true pope, if you R&R people will sift through his words and acts to make sure they are orthodox according to your subjective standards or will you unreservedly submit to his teachings and direction on matters of faith and morals?

    stop making things more complicated than they need be.

    If the Pope firmly rejects Vatican II and the Novus Ordo, then it's safe.
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #51 on: Today at 05:05:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Today at 04:59:02 AM
    stop making things more complicated than they need be.

    If the Pope firmly rejects Vatican II and the Novus Ordo, then it's safe.

    So if he rejects VII and the NO, but allows unrepentant public sinners and people in bad marriages to receive Holy Communion, will that be acceptable to you? 
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #52 on: Today at 05:36:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Today at 01:18:35 AM

    There is a crises in the Church and the question a normal Catholic should ask themselves is "Where is the remnant? Where is the fullness of the Catholic Truth that I know by Faith will last until the end of time?".

    Is it still with the Novus Ordo. Obviously not. Is it with the Thuc line? Obviously not.
    I take what I can get where I can get it.

    If I was to use your criteria to know where I can and cannot go to mass, who I can and cannot associate with as the "remnant"..using, for example, acceptance or rejection of the most important Dogma of the Faith: 'No Salvation Outside The Church' as the deciding factor...that would leave me with about three chapels at most in the US (not including MICM due to dubious holy orders)

    You want to call yourself a Traditional Catholic, you reject V2, and the Novus Ordo? Great, we're on the same team. You label yourself as "the remnant", rejecting other trad groups, while at the the same time you don't even believe there is no salvation outside the Church? I don't take you seriously
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