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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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Thuc Novus Ordo pics
« on: November 04, 2025, 04:55:21 AM »
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    • I'm just gonna leave these here and let people make their own minds up.


    "But he was so holy!"


    Behold the fruits of sedevacantism and the father of CMRI....
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    Offline Pax Vobis

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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #1 on: November 04, 2025, 08:17:14 AM »
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    • :facepalm:  Even a heretic can administer valid ordinations.  You are woefully uneducated.
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    Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #2 on: November 04, 2025, 10:01:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 04, 2025, 08:17:14 AM
    :facepalm:  Even a heretic can administer valid ordinations.  You are woefully uneducated.

    You guys claim he was sane and stable and holy.

    These pics blow that out of the water.
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #3 on: November 04, 2025, 10:57:53 AM »
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    • It is kind of funny.  You think you are fighting for Truth by convincing people to think as you do, but your delivery and attitude is probably making more people run from your thoughts and not listen to you at all.
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    Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #4 on: November 04, 2025, 03:11:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on November 04, 2025, 10:57:53 AM
    It is kind of funny.  You think you are fighting for Truth by convincing people to think as you do, but your delivery and attitude is probably making more people run from your thoughts and not listen to you at all.


    Honey. I dont care. I dont even know you. This is an anonymous web forum.
    People who are sincere will judge based on the Truth and what is reasonable. Not because they do or do not like my "delivery".
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    Offline Bl Alojzije Stepinac

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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #5 on: November 05, 2025, 01:58:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 04, 2025, 08:17:14 AM
    :facepalm:  Even a heretic can administer valid ordinations.  You are woefully uneducated.
    Yes but totalist sedevacantists declare all catholic priests, bishops, popes who are public heretics lose office and are outside of the Church. Sedeprivationists are not like that. So it should be important to them (totalists, if they are consistent) when this happened, after or before some consecrations he did. 
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #6 on: Today at 04:39:42 AM »
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    • Hey Tom are these pics from Toulon?
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #7 on: Today at 07:18:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Bl Alojzije Stepinac on November 05, 2025, 01:58:02 AM
    Yes but totalist sedevacantists declare all catholic priests, bishops, popes who are public heretics lose office and are outside of the Church. Sedeprivationists are not like that. So it should be important to them (totalists, if they are consistent) when this happened, after or before some consecrations he did.
    Losing an office does not mean losing sacramental power. The Church has actually dealt with this heresy in the past about heretics still having sacramental power because some insisted that they had no sacramental power because of their heresies.

    So what pac said is very different from sedes saying they lose the Office.
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #8 on: Today at 01:14:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on November 04, 2025, 08:17:14 AM
    :facepalm:  Even a heretic can administer valid ordinations.  You are woefully uneducated.
    Wait.... 

     you said a heretic is a non-member of the Catholic Church.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/poll-for-those-who-consider-themselves-part-of-the-resistance/msg1004981/#msg1004981

    How can a non-member become a bishop and administer valid ordinations?

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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #9 on: Today at 01:23:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimonJude on Today at 01:14:09 PM
    Wait....

    you said a heretic is a non-member of the Catholic Church.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/poll-for-those-who-consider-themselves-part-of-the-resistance/msg1004981/#msg1004981

    How can a non-member become a bishop and administer valid ordinations?
    Once a priest always a priest. A defrocked apostate priest can confess and say a valid mass, why wouldn't a validly consecrated apostate bishop be able to ordain a priest? I don't personally know but I can't see why not. 
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #10 on: Today at 02:00:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimonJude on Today at 01:14:09 PM
    Wait....

    you said a heretic is a non-member of the Catholic Church.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/poll-for-those-who-consider-themselves-part-of-the-resistance/msg1004981/#msg1004981

    How can a non-member become a bishop and administer valid ordinations?
    :facepalm:  You don't understand the difference between personal faith (i.e. membership) and sacramental validity (comes from the Church).
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #11 on: Today at 02:14:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 02:00:37 PM
    :facepalm:  You don't understand the difference between personal faith (i.e. membership) and sacramental validity (comes from the Church).
    Okay, I didn't know that, I stand corrected. So that was the reason why cardinal Lienart validly consecrated archbishop Lefevbre, even he was public heretic and most likely a freemason. If that was the case, then all this attack on archbishop Thuc is pointless. Same is with cardinal Siri, he also said the New mass, but he was still an archbishop and could ordain priests which he did. I believe he was under constant threats, surveillance and he was elected and accepted the election in 1958. before Roncalli. 
    But that is another topic....
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #12 on: Today at 05:48:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Godefroy on Today at 01:23:23 PM
    Once a priest always a priest. A defrocked apostate priest can confess and say a valid mass, why wouldn't a validly consecrated apostate bishop be able to ordain a priest? I don't personally know but I can't see why not.
    They CAN.  That's my point to Pax.
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
    « Reply #13 on: Today at 05:49:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 02:00:37 PM
    :facepalm:  You don't understand the difference between personal faith (i.e. membership) and sacramental validity (comes from the Church).
    I do.  You just like to try to cause confusion and complicate things.  God is not complicated and neither is His Church.
    Keep it simple.
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    Re: Thuc Novus Ordo pics
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    • Quote from: Bl Alojzije Stepinac on Today at 02:14:28 PM
    Okay, I didn't know that, I stand corrected. So that was the reason why cardinal Lienart validly consecrated archbishop Lefevbre, even he was public heretic and most likely a freemason. If that was the case, then all this attack on archbishop Thuc is pointless. Same is with cardinal Siri, he also said the New mass, but he was still an archbishop and could ordain priests which he did. I believe he was under constant threats, surveillance and he was elected and accepted the election in 1958. before Roncalli.
    But that is another topic....

    Lefebvre had two Bishops lay hands, so if one was not a true bishop then the other did the job. End of story.
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