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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Thuc-line priests?
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2021, 12:51:23 PM »
Quote from: bodeens on November 19, 2021, 12:39:24 PM
:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

I love how Father Scott says there's no "strong reason" to doubt, but there are doubts.
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Offline Stanley N

Re: Thuc-line priests?
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2021, 12:51:50 PM »
Quote from: Todd The Trad on November 19, 2021, 12:16:52 PM
This priest says there is no strong reason to doubt validity then seems to go on to strongly doubt it.
Fr. Peter Scott identifies "lesser reasons". Doubts can vary in strength.

That FAQ page is very old and Fr. Peter Scott is generally viewed as "old school".

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Also, do you think men like des Lauriers and Carmona wouldn't know the situation and details of the consecrations a lot better than us?
I believe bishop de Castro Mayer said much the same thing - who would have known better than des Lauriers. [I see you posted this already]

Still, it would appear the old SSPX viewed the Thuc-line clergy as questionable.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Thuc-line priests?
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2021, 12:54:00 PM »
Quote from: Todd The Trad on November 19, 2021, 12:49:59 PM
Bp. Mayer answered: “Guérard is the most qualified person in the world to determine if the consecration was valid.”

Generally the reason episcopal consecrations are presumed valid is that the bishops are assumed to be properly trained.  Bishop Thuc had performed prior consecrations, was highly competent (having received advanced degrees from Rome and being a seminary professor).  But then in this case the credentials of the consecrand are unimpeachable.  Bishop Kelly does nothing but spew negative doubt.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Thuc-line priests?
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2021, 12:55:15 PM »
Quote from: Stanley N on November 19, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
Fr. Peter Scott identifies "lesser reasons". Doubts can vary in strength.

Only one type of doubt matters, positive.  "Greater" and "Lesser" doubts aren't a valid theological distinction.  That by itself shows how sloppy this is.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Thuc-line priests?
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2021, 12:58:00 PM »
Quote from: Todd The Trad on November 19, 2021, 12:16:52 PM
Wouldn't you have to be basically a zombie to consecrate someone without any intention of doing so?

Yes.  Basically the consecration has to be properly performed and it has to be a human act (the consecrator knows what he's doing).  It does not require that Bishop Thuc have had a spotless trackrecord in the prudence department, which is being confused with "mental state".  I'm sure we've all done some stupid and irrational things in our lives; that doesn't mean we couldn't have validly confected a Sacrament (had we the necessary Orders).
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