Author Topic: Thuc: Heel or Hero (Read 26815 times)

Belloc · « **Reply #15 on:** June 22, 2010, 10:43:14 AM »

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You are probably right, Veritatis, especially in the early years after V II when everyone was confused and making mistakes. Thuc was a thorough Catholic and given the choice between obedience and rebellion, it's easy to see which way he would go. Obedience worked for all the saints down the centuries.

But for me, he is one of my heroes. He saw his family dessimated, his see stolen and he was kicked from pillar to post. On top of that he was villified. I could never maintain silence through all that as he did. For this I admire him, but I say it is a good thing God didn't give me that cross. I have far too big a mouth.

There is no proof that he was killed, so he may not have been a black martyr. But he was surely a white martyr.

what of the allegations he celebrated the NO, with P6? false? true?

Alexandria · « **Reply #16 on:** June 22, 2010, 11:26:21 AM »

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My personal opinion is that he hated Paul VI in particular and the Church in general so much for what they did to him and his family that he did what he did purposely to add further chaos and confusion.

That's a new one.

Yes, I know. I am surprised that no one has considered this.

Alexandria · « **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2010, 11:28:13 AM »

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I'm just going to say that my biased opinion (being fully Vietnamese and traditional Roman Catholic) is that Archbishop Thuc was one of the greatest heroes that Viet Nam has ever brought forth.

I don't think anyone would ever deny that, Vlad.

Tell me, what is the "scoop" about him there? What do your people say about him and what he did? The Vietnamese, of all people, would know the truth.

Alexandria · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2010, 11:31:11 AM »

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I've done extensive reading on Thuc.

My personal opinion is that he hated Paul VI in particular and the Church in general so much for what they did to him and his family that he did what he did purposely to add further chaos and confusion.

I also think that he was quite traumatized by everything that happened. In short, he really wasn't playing with a full deck. Not that he was insane, but that his judgment and reason were severely clouded by the events in his life.

Probably was pissed off at Kennedy and Co., they helped engineer the coup against his family.....though the USA has no problems before or since supporting corrupt regime's.....

That is correct. Have you ever read Warren Carroll's Seventy Years of the Communist Revolution? I think it's the hardest book I ever had to plow through. It's very hard to get and, when you do find a copy, it is quite expensive. Anyway, he goes into that in the book. The wonderful USA did a real dirty deal. I often wonder how these men can even look at themselves in the mirror without hating everything they are.

Trinity · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2010, 11:49:21 AM »

Things may not have been as clear sailing for Bishop Thuc as people seem to think. Check this out:

http://catholic.shrineofsaintjude.net/homec081.html