I don't think Bishop Kelly likes any outside "competition".

Then it is a puzzlement as to why his clergy who disobey him in public fail to apologise for what they have said about Abp. Thuc.

I guess they're not repentent of ANYTHING, Elizabeth.  Sound like a bunch of brigands.

Quote from: Trinity

In the end Bishop Thuc "got to the bottom of it."  A feat even Lafebre never accomplished and how many millions of others haven't accomplished to this day.

ABL did understand all too well, his approach and plan differed.

again, he had a seminary, screened candidates, screened seminarians, had testing, instructions, etc before ordination

Well Belloc, you and I both know that those Orientals always are ahead and never lag behind anyone.    :cool:  

I don't want to rain on any parades here, but I strongly suspect that all this back biting is just satan's way to garner more souls.  I think Bishop Mark and the CMRI priests have found the better way.  Build, don't tear down.

Where to begin? SSPV, yes it is true that they are guilty of this ...what is the word...marking their territory and yes I think it is for money. The easiest thing to do is shout out that someone is insane and most everyone will doubt not the shouter but the accused. I agree with you Trinity and I think well of Thuc (as if anyone gives a rats tail on what I think).

Novus Ordos. Pray for them as we pray for all who are outside the faith. But, I will tell you this in just my own circle they are the most prideful and most rooted in sin people I know. I am the oldest of seven children. They in turn have over 12 children that are young adults. Then, there are neighbors ( I live on the street with several prominent Novus Ordo neighbors). Not a one of them is not living in some sort of sinful situation. Whether or not it is living together without marriage, not attending Mass on Sundays and Holydays, cursing using Gods name. Whatever. Still, these people (with the exception of my one sister) love nothing better than to call me names or tell me I am insane or living wrong in the world. They ALL tell me that times have changed. Now then, it gets better. They will then go on to ask their "priest" what he thinks of different things that I say the Church teaches. Guess what? I am still called wrong headed and stuck behind the times. Don't ya know that the Church has softened its view on fornication, birth control, divorce, salvation. B.S.!!!!!
Their eyes really glaze over when I tell them that their "priest" is not even validly ordained. And, for the record, yes many of these HAVE heard the truth and rather recently. You see, Father Oswalt was at the local Novus Ordo. He of course is now with the CMRI. Let me tell you when he left it sent shockwaves throught the "Fox Valley". I found out about him when someone came to visit and said, "boy you missed it, there was this priest at St. Pat's who left because he believed in the "OLD" ways like you do.
Well here is a news flash. God believes in the Old ways to. His ways are the same yesterday, today and always.
Now, one must wrap their head around the concept of these men actually creating a new religion, a new church at Vatican II. And, this is the religion of man. For the Novus Ordo is not Christocentric, but homocentric (HOMO... :bob-marley: no pun intended). And, then one must understand that they created a new liturgy, one that even went farther than the one made up by that constipated old womanizer Martin Luther.
But, that was simply not enough. They then went on to change the words of ordination so that they are no longer valid (priests prior to 1969 are safe). They reworded the consecration so that transubstantiation does not take place (that should take a load of you mind when you see on of those Busby Berkley style papal extravaganzas that they do, while leaving the novus ordo cookie on the ground).
So, I will gladly stay a part of the lunatic fringe. You see 2,000 years ago Christ himself was considered the leader of the lunatic fringe. He still is today.

Wow!  It made bunches of sense.  I can't do that well without a headache.

You guys are really getting down to the niddy griddy.  I do want to highlight what you said about Jesus being a fringe lunatic.  One of the really big ways you know you are His is when you are treated like Him.  If there were no other indicators that Thuc was a good Catholic aside from  his behavior, you could tell he was by the way he was treated by the enemy.

And as for his behavior, I can find nothing wrong with it.  I can find much right with it.

Raoul Said:

"Those like Belloc can boast about the superior prudence of Abp. Lefebvre all they want.  The fact is, he only went halfway.  If SSPX never happened, who knows, the sedevacantist movement might have actually gained steam.  How many potential bright lights of sedevacantism were sucked into the SSPX because they could have cushier careers there?"

Others have said the same in the seventies and eighties.

If you want to PM me with your lengthier madman version, I'll read it.

I would love to sit down and talk to Fr. Oswalt.  Our pastor was kind enough to have him come to our chapel and give a two hour presentation, but I would still like to sit down with him and talk.  He, better than anyone else (since he didn't grow up in the CMRI), would be able to help me.