Apostolic Vicar of Saigon Bishop Dumortier who, truth be told, did not play fair, giving Thuc only that which Dumortier did not want - the dregs that is. Despite these obstacles, the Holy See in the mid 50's asked nigh unto the impossible: build a university for his Vicariate. Thuc entrusted this mission to Our Lord and His Blessed Mother and through providence founded the University of Dalat on a high plateau where the weather was perpetually spring-like and there were abundant water sources, streams and flat property high above the humid forests. Pine trees could indeed be found here, something unique for this climate.

    In time he had masterminded a magnificent college using ingenuity and contacts. Throughout his life no one could ever accuse His Excellency of not being a can-do person. He was most enterprising, which would serve him well when he built a seminary in the center of Saigon on wasteland that became a treasure. Only after it was built did Dumortier want something he had given away and wanted nothing to do with it originally. The matter, which was part and parcel of the ecclesiastical law and tradition in the missions in conjunction with the wishes of the Sacred Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith in stating that when an indigenous bishop was appointed the missionary bishop would turn over to him those facilities that were already well-developed. Dumortier thought differently and gave Thuc the dregs of what he had. Thuc took the abuse until Dumortier demanded too much.

Thuc, was he a heel or a hero.  

Thuc suffered as Our Lord did, silently, and at the hands of Our Lord's avowed enemies.  They don't bother with pipsqueaks like me.  They don't expend great energy in trying to destroy people who don't count. Bishop Thuc counted which is why they had to get rid of him and silence his leadership.

Alexandria said:

If they can discredit Archbishop Thuc, they can discredit us. I think that's the whole point. Sedevacantists are marginalized and considered the lunatic fringe not even worthy of the time of day.

Not really.  He is responsible for many of our Holy Orders but he is not our mascot or spokesperson.  Remember the first prominent sedevacantist in the country, perhaps in the world, was Schuckardt.  If we were going to judge our theological position by its most visible proponents, that would have ended us right there.

Abp. Thuc could have done what he did in some fit of inscrutable-Asianness or he could have done it for good motives, it doesn't really matter.  He didn't leave a sedevacantist map to follow.  He flirted with the position, abandoning it ( or at least saying the Novus Ordo ) and coming back to it by turns.  But since his time it has evolved.

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If they can discredit Archbishop Thuc, they can discredit us. I think that's the whole point. Sedevacantists are marginalized and considered the lunatic fringe not even worthy of the time of day.

Not really.  He is responsible for many of our Holy Orders but he is not our mascot or spokesperson.  Remember the first prominent sedevacantist in the country, perhaps in the world, was Schuckardt.  If we were going to judge our theological position by its most visible proponents, that would have ended us right there.

Abp. Thuc could have done what he did in some fit of inscrutable-Asianness or he could have done it for good motives, it doesn't really matter.  He didn't leave a sedevacantist map to follow.  He flirted with the position, abandoning it ( or at least saying the Novus Ordo ) and coming back to it by turns.  But since his time it has evolved.

I didn't mean that he was our mascot or spokesman.  I don't have any personal Elvises and have no tolerance for those who do.

With the faith of your average person in the novus ordo pew, all they need is to know that a sedevacantist "leader" is questionable.  They couldn't be bothered to look any further.   It stops them in their tracks.  What I'm trying to say is that if people like Thuc and others can be discredited, it will make even a person of good will hesitant to investigate sede claims.

Capiche?

What I would be more worried about  are people of good will who are actively seeking the Church and are put off by these lies and misrepresentations.

Isn't that what I wrote?  If not, that's what I meant and tried to say.

Most people are not critical thinkers - in or out of the Church.  And, nowadays, they are mental sluggards and weren't even taught to think for themselves, and would rather follow any pied piper that comes along so as to go along to get along.  

I know very few souls that have the backbone to stand all alone for the Truth.  There is comfort in numbers; the larger the better.

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Things may not have been as clear sailing for Bishop Thuc as people seem to think.  Check this out:

http://catholic.shrineofsaintjude.net/homec081.html

So why do the SSPV persecute Abp. Thuc, call him evil/insane?  

Is it the pot calling the kettle black, or somebody just doesn't like cats?

I don't think Bishop Kelly likes any outside "competition".

What I would be more worried about  are people of good will who are actively seeking the Church and are put off by these lies and misrepresentations.

Some priests whom I once trusted had my family believing Abp. Thuc and his lineage are all not Catholic.

What a mess.