Orestes Brownson says in Vol. 13 of his Works:

"I have listened, with what patience I could, to the facts and arguments adduced to prove that the pope has erred in matters of faith; but even the great Bossuet was obliged to confess that he could not prove that any pope had ever erred when speaking ex cathedra and defining a point of faith, or condemning an error opposed to it. The strongest case is that of Pope Honorius, in relation to the two wills and the two operations in Our Lord. That the pope was negligent, and failed to do his duty by crushing out the insurgent error at once with the authority of St. Peter, nobody disputes; but that he did not fall into heresy or err in his own doctrine, the learned bishop Hefele fully concedes."  p. 362

I go with Brownson.

That's just nonsensical gaslighting ... "but you set yourself up as muh pope".  Just stop it.

What is Catholic doctrine, and sadly the majority of modern R&R reject this, to great peril for their faith ... is that the Church's Magisterium and Public Worship and Universal Discipline and Canonizations cannot, pardon my French ... all turn to shit.  We're not talking here about a mistake here or there in a Papal Encyclical.  If you believe the Conciliar Church is the Catholic Church and that legitimate papal authority turned it to shit, then you don't have the Catholic faith.  People who believe this need to snap out of it.  At that point, it could have turned to shit when the Protestants said it did, or when the Old Catholics said it did.  Who's to know?  You guys keep losing the forest of indefectibility for the trees of infallibility.  We are NOT talking about an error here or there, but a NEW RELIGION that does not have the marks of the True Church founded by Christ ... that's how unrecognizable it is.  If St. Pius X had been timewarped forward to today, would he recognize this as the Catholic Church?  He would most certainly not, but would think it to be some strange new heretical sect, indistinguishable from the Anglicans and the Lutherans.

And people need to stop hiding behind Archbishop Lefebvre, using him as a sockpuppet to justify this error.

+Lefebvre stated that the Conciliar Church is in schism and that it does not have the marks of the Church.

AND, +Lefebvre agreed with the MAJOR premise by affirming that the protection of the Holy Ghost over the Papacy prevents the free exercise of legitimate papal authority from creating this degree of destruction.

Where he backed away from affirming SVism was that he entertained various possibilities regarding HOW this has happened, and simply fell short of drawing the conclusion because there could be some unknown factor X.  Now, it was a tragic mistake on his part, as unfortunately part of his legacy is that so many modern R&R are in fact very thinly-veiled Old Catholics who are barely holding on to the faith, having thrown the papacy under the bus in order to save Bergoglio and Prevost, so they could put their pictures up in the vestibule, so as not to scare too many people away by thinking them a non-Catholic sect, and by paying lipservice "yep, he's the Pope", that somehow constitutes submission to the Pope.

Daniel 12:1 But at that time shall Michael rise up, the great prince, who standeth for the children of thy people: and a time shall come such as never was from the time that nations began even until that time. And at that time shall thy people be saved, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom, shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come.  15 When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand. 16 Then they that are in Judea, let them flee to the mountains:  17 And he that is on the housetop, let him not come down to take any thing out of his house:  18 And he that is in the field, let him not go back to take his coat.  19 And woe to them that are with child, and that give suck in those days.  20 But pray that your flight be not in the winter, or on the sabbath. 21 For there shall be then great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, neither shall be.

John 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture may be fulfilled.

What shall we say then? All these things have to be understood spiritually in this manner: “Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains” and “So when you see the desolating sacrilege … standing in the holy place.” That is to say, when you see a godless heresy, which is the army of Antichrist, standing in the holy places of the church, at that time “let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains,” that is, let those who are in Christianity hasten to the Scriptures. For just as the real Jew is a Christian, as the apostle says (“For he is not a real Jew who is one outwardly.… He is a Jew who is one inwardly”), so also the real Judah is Christianity, whose name is understood to mean “confession.” But the mountains are the Scriptures of the apostles and prophets, concerning whom it is said, “Glorious are you, more majestic than the everlasting mountains.” And again he says about the church, “On the holy mount stands the city he founded.” And why does he order all Christians to hasten to the Scriptures at this time? Because at this time, ever since a heresy lay hold of those churches, there can be no other test of true Christianity or any other refuge of Christians who want to know the truth of the faith than the divine Scriptures. For previously he was showing in many ways what the church of Christ is and what heathenness is, but now those who want to know what the true church of Christ is can know it in no other way than only through the Scriptures. Why? Because also the heretics in their schism have all these things that are rightly Christ’s in truth: they likewise have churches, the divine Scriptures also, bishops and the rest of the ranks of clergy, baptism, the Eucharist in other respects, and all the other things, and finally Christ. Therefore, if someone wishes to know what the true church of Christ is, how will he know it amid the confusion of such similarity unless he learns it only through the Scriptures?



Thomas C. Oden and Gerald L. Bray, eds., Incomplete Commentary on Matthew (Opus Imperfectum), trans. James A. Kellerman, vol. 1 & 2, Ancient Christian Texts (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic: An Imprint of InterVarsity Press, 2010), 382–383.

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Since this thread is about a pope, I must add a very important fact - Popes are not subject to canon law. So we shouldn't be talking about canon law.

Also, since a pope cannot be judged, the only type of judgment used would be a "declaratory" judgment, which means the judges already went into the court knowing with certainty the man is not the pope, and merely, in a sense, writes the death certificate so that everyone is on the same page about it in society.