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Offline TomGubbinsKimmage

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Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 03:28:40 PM »
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    • Ladislaus seems to think that these lengthy posts are impressive.

    The sad part is that there are many people who genuinely judge by that measure. 

    It's really not that complicated folks.

    Thucs Sacraments are doubtful because he admitted to having withheld intention once. This is the most grievous breach of trust possible, when it comes to the Sacraments. If he was still alive we could interview him. We could ask him more about the context of this to help us understand. But because he is dead, we have no way to reassure ourselves.

    We can't just say, "oh we have to judge each Sacrament on its own merits" . Because when we assume validity, it is because we assume the person is not deliberately withholding intention.

    Sedes (the Thuc line ones)get VERY touchy about this (Laddy's posts are clearly over compensation) because they have emotional attachments to the Thuc Sacraments they have received or to the idea of sedevacantism. 

    This is immature. We should react to the crises in the Church by seeking out Sacraments we can be sure of. 
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    Offline Freind

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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 04:08:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 03:28:40 PM
    Ladislaus seems to think that these lengthy posts are impressive.

    The sad part is that there are many people who genuinely judge by that measure.

    It's really not that complicated folks.

    Thucs Sacraments are doubtful because he admitted to having withheld intention once. This is the most grievous breach of trust possible, when it comes to the Sacraments. If he was still alive we could interview him. We could ask him more about the context of this to help us understand. But because he is dead, we have no way to reassure ourselves.

    We can't just say, "oh we have to judge each Sacrament on its own merits" . Because when we assume validity, it is because we assume the person is not deliberately withholding intention.

    Sedes (the Thuc line ones)get VERY touchy about this (Laddy's posts are clearly over compensation) because they have emotional attachments to the Thuc Sacraments they have received or to the idea of sedevacantism.

    This is immature. We should react to the crises in the Church by seeking out Sacraments we can be sure of.

    You didn't read it. Do you have ADHD?  Yes, it is long, so what? Most longs things are more thorough, and Ladislaus is quite thorough.
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 04:19:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Yesterday at 04:08:44 PM
    You didn't read it. Do you have ADHD?  Yes, it is long, so what? Most longs things are more thorough, and Ladislaus is quite thorough.
    TGK relies on a single unsourced line from an issue of The Angelus to try to support his +Thuc slander. He has been asked many times to provide the source for what the author of the Angelus article claimed (that +Thuc withheld intention). To date he has not been able to provide the source, because it does not exist. 
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 04:24:34 PM »
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    • And, by the way, here is Tom admitting that what was claimed in The Angelus (that +Thuc "withheld intention") can not be verified :jester:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/thuc-novus-ordo-pics/msg1005669/#msg1005669

    :laugh2::laugh2:
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 04:25:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 04:19:44 PM
    TGK relies on a single unsourced line from an issue of The Angelus to try to support his +Thuc slander. He has been asked many times to provide the source for what the author of the Angelus article claimed (that +Thuc withheld intention). To date he has not been able to provide the source, because it does not exist.

    You're trying to pretend that the Angeles Press magazine is not a reliable source itself. Because you don't like where it leads.

    I never said this was proof. It is however enough for a doubt. The gravity of this seems to be lost on you.
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 04:27:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: WorldsAway on Yesterday at 04:24:34 PM
    And, by the way, here is Tom admitting that what was claimed in The Angelus (that +Thuc "withheld intention") can not be verified :jester:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/thuc-novus-ordo-pics/msg1005669/#msg1005669

    :laugh2::laugh2:

    Yes because its a doubt. A positive doubt. 

    A negative doubt would be from a spurious source.The Angeles is not spurious.

    The false intellectualism of sedes is hilarious.
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 04:28:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Freind on Yesterday at 04:08:44 PM
    You didn't read it. Do you have ADHD?  Yes, it is long, so what? Most longs things are more thorough, and Ladislaus is quite thorough.


    Have you ever played Jenga?
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 04:58:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 04:27:49 PM
    Yes because its a doubt. A positive doubt.

    A negative doubt would be from a spurious source.The Angeles is not spurious.

    The false intellectualism of sedes is hilarious.
    Why don't you track down the author of that article? Have you contacted The Angelus to see if they can provide the "published" letter of +Thuc? :confused:

     If you are really interested in the truth and protecting the faithful from dubious sacraments, what are you waiting for?
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #23 on: Yesterday at 04:59:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 04:28:56 PM

    Have you ever played Jenga?

    A non-reply from Tom.
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    « Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 05:39:49 PM »
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    • My advice is not to engage with TomGibberish in any meaningful or serious conversation.
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 06:07:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on Yesterday at 05:39:49 PM
    My advice is not to engage with TomGibberish in any meaningful or serious conversation.

    I don't think anyone should be ignored. Regardless.
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 09:58:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 03:28:40 PM

    Thucs Sacraments are doubtful because he admitted to having withheld intention once. This is the most grievous breach of trust possible, when it comes to the Sacraments. If he was still alive we could interview him. We could ask him more about the context of this to help us understand. But because he is dead, we have no way to reassure ourselves.
    You have been corrected about this point over and over again. He never claimed to have withheld intention. Go to confession for lying. 
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #27 on: Today at 09:31:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 25, 2025, 11:56:47 AM
    Just ignore the slanderer ... since he clearly has some deep psychological problems.

    He claims the Resistance is the Remnant ... except that Bishop Williamson said quite the contrary and his view was more along the lines of fragmented pockets of Catholics here and there.  He never founded any group called the Resistance.  One needn't look farther than one of the founders of the movement, Father Joseph Pfeiffer to discredit the entire group, if one wants to think of them as such.
    Lad, there is a certain Priest that we all know who once claimed Apb Levebre said that Catholics should avoid Thuc, any validity to that statement as far as you know? I’m not in agreement with that until one can provide evidence to change my mind, it’s my understanding the 2 Apb’s were rather close friends 
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #28 on: Today at 09:53:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: jersey60 on Today at 09:31:41 AM
    Lad, there is a certain Priest that we all know who once claimed Apb Levebre said that Catholics should avoid Thuc, any validity to that statement as far as you know? I’m not in agreement with that until one can provide evidence to change my mind, it’s my understanding the 2 Apb’s were rather close friends
    “We traditionalists are already in trouble with dozens, if not hundreds, of false bishops and bastard priests, consecrated and ordained by schismatics. If we don't stop our apathy in so serious a case, the Catholic Church may be flooded in a short time by hundreds, or thousands, of vocationless impostors, consecrated and ordained arbitrarily, or having bought their Orders. Let all the good priests remain united in charity, in mutual understanding and prayer, confident in Our Lord Who has promised: "I shall be with you all days, even till the end of time." 

    —(Fr. Byman, Who Is Msgr. Pierre Martin Ngo-Dhin-Thuc? The Angelus: April 1983)
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    Re: Thuc 400 Bishops Madness
    « Reply #29 on: Today at 10:06:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Yesterday at 04:27:49 PM
    A negative doubt would be from a spurious source.The Angeles is not spurious.

    Does this mean you accept that Abp. Lefebvre (twice published in the Angeles in 1986) said?:


    "I am on the way to saying the Pope is not Pope"

     "it is possible we may be obliged to believe [John Paul II] is not pope."
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