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Thoughts on yesterdays Assisi Anniversary
« on: October 22, 2007, 03:45:32 PM »
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  • Yesterday at the anniversary Mass to celebrate what we know as the "Assissi Abomination," "Archbishop" Rowan Williamson of Canterbury sat on the platform with the Pope, the cardinals and various heretics and schismatics.

    In our glorious past, Saints like Edmond Campion and Robert Southwell underwent torture. The were put on the rack for days of torture that left them cripples, they were pulled on a hurdle and people name called and spat upon their faces. Then, they were taken in front of a crowd. Their genitals were cut off. The were hung til almost dead, then split from top to bottom. Their insides were put into a pot of hot tar and begain to cook even while attached to the not dead yet martyrs. Finally they had their saintly limbs torn in for and set to the four corners of the kingdom of England.

    The way I see it this Mass and others of these modern Popes makes a mockery of the deaths of these saints. As if to say, fool, you should have found a way to comprimise.

    How dare we think to cheapen the blood of the martyrs?

    I was hesitant to post this question, but Trinity said it needs discussing.


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    « Reply #1 on: October 22, 2007, 06:06:04 PM »
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  • That's right, it does.  What bothers me the most is the silence, because I don't think it is the silence of anything but indifference.  What must God think of His children now?  Is murmuring among ourselves the best that we can do?
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    « Reply #2 on: October 22, 2007, 09:51:59 PM »
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  • It is really simple. We must do our duty of state, pray,  and instruct the ignorant when the opportunity arises.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 23, 2007, 08:25:53 AM »
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  • These days people are so ignorant they don't have clue enough to go looking or recognize when they stumble over the truth.  But they are followers.  There's an up side, for those itching ears.  The true gospel is now so far out of date that it would be a new vogue to many.
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    Thoughts on yesterdays Assisi Anniversary
    « Reply #4 on: October 23, 2007, 11:06:22 AM »
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  • The "ignorant" in this case is the Pope. And, you assume alot to think he does not know what he is doing and maybe that is where you are mistaken yourselves. The truth is that as Fr. Joseph Ratzinger is the very same man that led the German faction at Vatican II to overturn the teachings of the Church. He is well aware of what he is doing.
    The Truth is that the time will come when you will all have to make a decision. How far is too far to follow this shepard out with the wolves.
    Also, an often overlooked apparition is Our Lady of Knock. No one gives it a thought because there was only silence. But, was it silent? No. Our Lady is there, St. Joseph was there. And, St. John in his bishops miter. The only priest there was the one and only priest and victim Christ as the Agnus Dei. There was no Mass taking place. St. John was teaching and he was not saying the Mass. There was also someone else missing. Peter the Pope. No Mass and No Pope. Now, this was not a prophecy of the Crucifixtion that had already happened. The Virgin was there as was the Bishop John. Joseph would have been there in Spirit because of his great love for the Mother and her Son.
    This is a prophecy of times to come when there will be No Mass and No Pontiff to be seen.
    And, just maybe the times are now. I am telling you think long and hard. These things that are happening now offend God. And, we deserve as our punishment what we get.
    St. Paul says if anyone preaches one word different from what they have taught us, even if one of them or an angel, they are anathema. And, Benedict and John Paul II have done nothing but teach and write words that differ from what was given us in Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition.
    Still, you hang on every word. But, St. Paul says ONE WORD and they are anathema.
    Be aware  you are dangling on the precipice of a dangerous mountain and you listen to the words of man to guide you when Heaven has sent guides you should be following.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 23, 2007, 12:13:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Dawn
    The "ignorant" in this case is the Pope.


    He is pretending to be Pontiff, but he is no such thing.  His act is meant to ensnare, if possible, even the elect - much like the man he prefigures.

    Those who call him Papa, yet know he acts in such a way as to render the sacrifices of the Martyrs so meaningless as to be absurd, have to sit still for a moment and think...

    For all those who believe this wicked and impious man is "conservative" and will "restore tradition", WAKE UP!  He is CELEBRATING the APOSTASY of Assisi.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #6 on: October 23, 2007, 12:41:12 PM »
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  • Yes, Gladius you get it as I well know. Either he is the Pope and then everything that went before is absurd and meaningless as you say. Then too everything can change again and again. Ane people that is not possible. If I had a nickel in the thirty years for everytime someone said, you see, it all changes. What is sin now will change, what is tradition then is not valid any more. Hogwash, and what words are these but from Satan. He can not be a Pope who would preside over the demolition of the Church or in Benedicts own words "The Razing of the Bastions of the Church."
    But, I am afraid that it will be easier for people to call me names for saying it to rant against the words of someone who believes him to be an imposter because they do not want to accept the words of Gospel and Tradition, but, the words of men who say "Poor misguided sedevacatist" No, poor gullible you I say. Always searching for human respect.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 23, 2007, 02:58:54 PM »
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  • I went looking for the story of Knock to refresh my memory.  There are a number of versions up and I'm afraid too many have written of it without verifying facts.  But I did come across this which I think is beautiful and I am posting it for its own merit, not to detract from the solemn warning of this thread.

    http://www.irishpage.com/wedding/knock.htm

    You have to left click the sound icon to hear the lyrics.
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    « Reply #8 on: October 25, 2007, 12:40:15 AM »
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    « Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007, 06:26:41 AM »
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  • I am puzzled as to how this fight for God's cause is being fought.  What I see is an infight like that among the Protestants, with nothing being accomplished, while the course of Vatican II keeps right on rolling.  
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    « Reply #10 on: October 25, 2007, 07:00:45 AM »
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  • "That's right, it does. What bothers me the most is thesilence, because I don't think it is the silence of anything but indifference. What must God think of His children now? Is murmuring among ourselves the best that we can do?"

    "I am puzzled as to how this fight for God's cause is being fought. What I see is an infight like that among the Protestants, with nothing being accomplished, while the course of Vatican II keeps right on rolling."



    Trinity,

    You have been beating the same drum consistently for at least as long as I've been on this board.  You keep asking the same question over and over again.  Clearly, it is a rhetorical question to you: you already have something in mind besides "just" praying, living a traditional Catholic life according to one's vocation, and thereby setting a good example.

    So, let's turn it around: What do YOU suggest "we" do aside from "murmuring" among ourselves?  What, specifically, do you think "we" should accomplish?  How?


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    « Reply #11 on: October 25, 2007, 09:21:55 AM »
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  • My goodness, I haven't been reticent.  I've suggested quite a few things, all of which have been ignored.  You know, when Vatican II came down the vast majority just went along with it and the rest went to work trying to restore the "head" to its senses (when they weren't busy calling each other down).  So here it is almost half a century later and we're each dug in like badgers.  

    I bring this up because Dawn has recently run across mention of a veil being lifted, and it strikes me that we have ALL had a veil over our eyes.  I think that if we can accept that we can be delivered from it.  But we would have to be open to the possibility and earnestly seek deliverance.  The fact does remain that while we were doing whatever we were doing the enemy made almost a complete takeover.  It may be more complete than I realize, too.  So we must have been doing something wrong, even as we thought we had it right.  So I suspect a veil.
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    « Reply #12 on: October 25, 2007, 11:34:01 AM »
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    What I see is an infight like that among the Protestants, with nothing being accomplished, while the course of Vatican II keeps right on rolling.  


    Most refuse to recognize the enemy/ies as such, and these will NEVER effectively oppose him/them, ergo...
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #13 on: October 25, 2007, 11:36:09 AM »
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  • "I've suggested quite a few things, all of which have been ignored."

    Such as?


    So here it is almost half a century later and we're each dug in like badgers.

    Yes, which is why we need explicit recommendations.

    But, therein lies the rub: traditional Catholics (Americans, at any rate) generally operate outside the ordinary hierarchy and, therefore, do not have any real focus, discipline, or direction.  They are, in effect, free to "pick and choose" what they like, and what they dont like... even in matters pertaining to the Faith, all the while insisting that they are being truly Catholic.

    I give you (and I'm not singling you out, so please dont take it that way) a few examples.  Sedevacantists (such as those who adhere to the SSPV or the CMRI) consider themselves traditional Catholics... except for the insignificant little fact that they deny that there is a Pope in Rome.  Or maybe they pick one of their own.

    Traditional Catholics who try to operate within the ordinary hierarchy (such as those who adhere to the FSSP, ICKSP, etc.) generally have their Faith compromised because they are subjected to Modernism in everything else but the traditional Latin Mass.  "Independents" subject themselves to no authority higher than the local priest.

    Traditional Catholics who adhere to the SSPX maintain allegiance to Rome, but dont generally have anything to do with the ordinary hierarchy... which makes everyone else wonder what exactly it is they're doing.

    None of these folks can make common cause because their own, independent judgement on matters of the Faith makes making common purpose impossible.  "Let's just set aside our differences," you might say, "and fight for the Faith!"

    "Very well," I would counter, "Let's start by offering our prayers for Pope Benedict XVI!"

    At that point, the sedes would evaporate, along with some of the independents.

    An FSSP adherent would add, "Great idea.  And, while we're at it, why dont we all celebrate at the local Indult/Motu Proprio site so we can all be in union with Rome!"

    There goes the rest of the independents.

    An SSPX adherent would then say, "But, we have never *not* been in union with Rome!  It is you all who have abandoned Catholic Tradition by compromising with the compromised hierarchy, and have abandoned Eternal Rome.  Why not come to our chapel?"

    The FSSP answer would be, "No way!  We dont want to look like we're schismatics!"

    "But, we're not..."

    "Yes, you are..."

    Etc.

    That all said...  I think that first, before traditionalists can go about actually "doing something", they should come out of their holes, unite among themselves, and operate within the supervision of some sort of ecclesiastical authority.  Only then will their actions truly make any difference here on earth.

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    « Reply #14 on: October 25, 2007, 02:24:39 PM »
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    I think that first, before traditionalists can go about actually "doing something", they should come out of their holes, unite among themselves, and operate within the supervision of some sort of ecclesiastical authority.  Only then will their actions truly make any difference here on earth.


    If you've read Lullabye, that is exactly what I have been saying.  This business in Rome half a century ago got us all fighting among each other and trying (I guess) to wake up that deliberately dead head.  We have been trying to do the impossible while the possible remained ignored.  And more than just possible, it was the absolutely necessary. From the start we should have ignored the Vatican and lived out our apostleship fighting the enemy communism with all its death and corruption.  We had the numbers and the power to stand up to them, especially with Our Lady at our side.

    What should we do, even at this late date?  As someone pointed out we each have our different callings, but not to put too fine a point on it, let us each be saints----PUBLICLY, heroically.  Personally I am drawn to what those pious women of Bolivia did.  I will venture to bring up the specter of using our political powers again.  We do have them and recall and impeachment do work.  We can let Hollywood know that we don't appreciate their evil ways and will let them all rot from disinterest in their products.  We could do a Don Bosco with the children.  We could insist that the Israeli citizens be cut out of our gov't and that no more aid go that way.  

    Actually, we are still only limited by our willingness and imagination.  All these corrupt laws exist only on the sufference of the people.  We could simply stop suffering them.
    +RIP
    Please pray for the repose of her soul.