Quote from: Lover of Truth

SSG sent back $100 because they insisted on $20 a Mass rather than $10 and would not give it to the Mexican clergy who could really use it as they would have had I initially only asked for 5 Masses for $100 instead of 10.  When I said, okay how about only 5 Masses they still sent the money back.

Maybe they felt you didn't have the proper disposition, or it was a mistake God allowed even after your request for 5 rather than 10? Requesting a Mass is of infinite value. I heard in a sermon, I believe from Fr. Benedict Hughes C.M.R.I., that it is customary for the stipend to be 1/3 of a day's pay. Of course God knows how much it is a sacrifice for you, and sometimes it's not possible.

What does IMO stand for?

Last I checked, the customery offering for a mass stipend for CMRI priests was $20.

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Quote from: Ambrose

Footnote 71 used to support Fr. Cekada's assertion ...

I'm not sure this is an actual decision made by the Holy Office.

He cited his source.  It comes from a respected pre-Conciliar canonist.  It appears to me to be a quote from the Holy Office or a description of the decision from Fr. Regatillo.

Fr. Regatillo is either quoting from the decision, or is attesting to the fact of the decision of the Holy Office.  Are you arguing that he misrepresented or failed to understand the decision of the Holy Office?  If so, what evidence are you relying on?

The fact is that it isn't an actual decision of the Holy Office, and Cekada represents it as "a final nail in the coffin," which if it was, would be all that is needed. In other words, I'm saying Cekada plays fast and loose with the facts, including the relating of the entire question to a single priest from a "backwater diocese," when it appears to be a letter written to Fr. Dolan, and signed by nine priests with whom he had relatively close ties.

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Quote from: Lover of Truth

SSG sent back $100 because they insisted on $20 a Mass rather than $10 and would not give it to the Mexican clergy who could really use it as they would have had I initially only asked for 5 Masses for $100 instead of 10.  When I said, okay how about only 5 Masses they still sent the money back.

Maybe they felt you didn't have the proper disposition, or it was a mistake God allowed even after your request for 5 rather than 10? Requesting a Mass is of infinite value. I heard in a sermon, I believe from Fr. Benedict Hughes C.M.R.I., that it is customary for the stipend to be 1/3 of a day's pay. Of course God knows how much it is a sacrifice for you, and sometimes it's not possible.

What does IMO stand for?

Last I checked, the customery offering for a mass stipend for CMRI priests was $20.

Again the point taken here, at least by me, it that Fr. Cekada cannot accept anybody questioning him. Instead of making an agreeable arrangement, he sent the relatively small amount back and destroyed the relationship.

I think if you go to Mass with CMRI, it will be a breath of fresh air for you.  They will treat you with kindness and respect, and you will not encounter the problems you dealt with in your involvement with these other priests.

The CMRI builds relationships with Catholics who attend their chapels based on mutual respect and trust.  

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Elizabeth, Im sorry for doubting you is there anything else you can tell me?
Please tell me what ever.

No apologies needed, Serp.  It is right to be wary of what we see online, and a great good to love our priests. Anyway, trying to explain or describe the sspv is still very difficult for me.  We really loved them and trusted them.  It was mind bending to try to sort out what was happening, and why so many truly beautiful souls were so into that culture.  

Nepotism was/is a main ingredient.  Now, if your priest isn't employing and showing extreme favoritism for his own family members, who own the property and work there, maybe your chapel is not so toxic.  If your priest handles the inevitable problems which occur within communities with a Catholic sense, there is hope.  

I think LoverofTruth was pretty balanced with his advice to you.  

I did notice what looked like some Nepotism going on.

Now I'm confused.  CMRI is connected with SSPX?  I thought they were sedevacantist.

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Quote from: Lover of Truth

SSG sent back $100 because they insisted on $20 a Mass rather than $10 and would not give it to the Mexican clergy who could really use it as they would have had I initially only asked for 5 Masses for $100 instead of 10.  When I said, okay how about only 5 Masses they still sent the money back.

Maybe they felt you didn't have the proper disposition, or it was a mistake God allowed even after your request for 5 rather than 10? Requesting a Mass is of infinite value. I heard in a sermon, I believe from Fr. Benedict Hughes C.M.R.I., that it is customary for the stipend to be 1/3 of a day's pay. Of course God knows how much it is a sacrifice for you, and sometimes it's not possible.

What does IMO stand for?

Last I checked, the customery offering for a mass stipend for CMRI priests was $20.

This was some time ago, but why would you send money back, depriving the Priests in Mexico of it, and refuse to just offer the five Masses.  Obviously they can't make a cost for any blessing mandatory right?  Why would the bishop avoid responding to me.  I would have sent them money yearly had they been Catholic about the situation.  At least until I found out about the other nonsense that goes on there.  They ignore problems and issues with the laity there plain and simple.  Also, I'm not sure you realized but anyone who disagrees with them is "insane".  So you can take that for what it is worth.  These clergy have a huge responsibility on their shoulders and those they scandalize away from the faith will be something they will have to answer for along with the vocations they have scarred away due to the craziness that goes on in their school.

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Quote from: SenzaDubbio

Quote from: Lover of Truth

SSG sent back $100 because they insisted on $20 a Mass rather than $10 and would not give it to the Mexican clergy who could really use it as they would have had I initially only asked for 5 Masses for $100 instead of 10.  When I said, okay how about only 5 Masses they still sent the money back.

Maybe they felt you didn't have the proper disposition, or it was a mistake God allowed even after your request for 5 rather than 10? Requesting a Mass is of infinite value. I heard in a sermon, I believe from Fr. Benedict Hughes C.M.R.I., that it is customary for the stipend to be 1/3 of a day's pay. Of course God knows how much it is a sacrifice for you, and sometimes it's not possible.

What does IMO stand for?

Last I checked, the customery offering for a mass stipend for CMRI priests was $20.

Again the point taken here, at least by me, it that Fr. Cekada cannot accept anybody questioning him. Instead of making an agreeable arrangement, he sent the relatively small amount back and destroyed the relationship.

Correct.  Thank you.  Though frankly $100 wasn't small in my estimation.  For them I'm sure it is nothing.  

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Isn't the CMRI in communion with the SSPX?

Yes.

Catholics are required by divine law to remain in communion with other Catholics.  To do otherwise is to fall into schism.

That doesn't make sense. The SSPX are in communion with Francis and the other heretics of the modernist hierarchy.

That would put the CMRI in communion with Francis and the other heretics of the modernist hierarchy as well.

To remain in communion with an undeclared heretic, if one is unsure of his status, is not a schismatic act.  

The voice of authority has not yet spoken, the matter remains authoritatively unresolved.  

A question for you:  which undeclared heretic was the entire Catholic world in communion with in 1966?

In 1966 most Catholics were certain of the popes status. If fact, the SSPX is also certain of the pope's status today.

That doesn't change the fact that the CMRI are in communion with the SSPX and the SSPX are in communion with Francis and the other heretics of the modernist hierarchy. Therefore, the CMRI are in communion with Francis and the other heretics of the modernist hierarchy.

The Church is one body and one faith.

What do you mean when you say "in communion with".  Ambrose is giving you the technically sound response but you both might be talking about two different things.  CMRI is not affiliated with SSPX and is not in union with Francis.