Quote from: SerpKerp

Elizabeth I have been attending Father Skierka's masses in Montana, and
 I have seen anything remotely resembling a cult. In fact I just came back from the feast of the assumption. He has talked to me after every mass about theology and the crisis in the church(The first time for over 2 hours). In the conversations he was far more charitable to the SSPX and the other nine, then the other nine and the SSPX were towards the SSPV. Also everyone there has been very out spoken and friendly towards me (I usually am very shy). In fact they have a summer school program run by the nuns coming up at his main chapel outside of Great Falls, so he would be right in the center of the Cult brainwashing. After mass on Sunday he told me we could talk more about theology and the crisis in the church in depth, so if you  could give me any questions which would revel his cult-hood I would be very happy to ask him then.

Hi Serp,

Yet they "excommunicated" the SV editor of the Four Marks, Kathleen Plum, for having attended a Thuc line Mass and her daughter as well.  Kathleen wrote about it in her quarterly; I don't know if the particular piece is still online. Many other have been similarly dismissed.  For a while, I also defended this practice.  I was ignorant of many facts.

I do not reasonably expect Fr. Skierka to tell you that sspv is a cult.  You are the one who asked questions about this group.  

Of course they can be charitable toward the SSPX, having jumped the aged Archbishop Lefebvre while he was visiting the then unfinished US seminary, serving him with a court summons.  They were fortunate to have been able to get a tarp over their own unfinished roof before being ordered off of their own property before winter set in.

The sspv had to pay out 1/2 million dollars for defaming a man in their long running lawsuit.  They had been given a valuable religious painting for their convent and decided to sell it.  They got miffed when someone resold it for lots more money, and lost. It was yet another example of their behavior, which was typical and a public scandal.  

Listen to their railing against Archbishop Thuc and tell me it is not cult-like.  Why was their ceremony with Bishop Mendez top secret?   What about his mental state and the testimony of the Mendez family?  Why so many secrets?
 

What was explained to me by one of the nine (I think it was Fr Cekada) several decades ago when I was passing through Cincinnati:

1 - Fr Kelly wanted the SSPV to be a tightly-controlled group like the SSPX.

2 - Frs Cekada, Dolan and Sandborn, having felt the SSPX was too rigid, wanted more of a loose association among priests.

3 - Fr Jenkins sided with Fr Kelly.

4 - The two sides began drifting apart.

5 - The controversy over Thuc consecrations came later, as originally Frs Cekada, Dolan and Kelly shared the SSPV position rejecting the validity of the consecrations.

Quote from: SJB

I understand that you would believe him, but today I wouldn't advise believing his take on events as he himself has a stake in those events.

Granted, Fr Cekada will obviously have his take on events. And now that we are going back thirty years, memories will have faded or shifted a bit. However, I have generally found Fr Cekada quite honest in our past dealings, albeit always with a humorous spin.

I can say quite candidly that of every sede or R&R priest who I have ever met, Mr Cekada is the one I would most enjoy hanging with for an afternoon drinking beer and watching football.

I'm starting to read Elizabeth's posts on earlier threads, and I really getting doubts in her story.

Where does Fr Collins fit into all of this?  I know he was one of the Nine but how does his beliefs differ from the other non-SSPV priests' beliefs? I'm pretty sure he is not SSPV, but independent.