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I frequent this blog typically for interesting discussion on politics and the likes, but some of these articles seemed to apply directly to the main discussion on the boards.

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

I think I have no idea who "Lasker" is.  Just reading the red text was kind of painful.  Why not alternate between two colors that are easier on the eyes?

From there I began attending Sedevacantist chapels and read their literature. For many years I have been hateful of all around me, sad, depressed, and truthfully without the virtue of hope, because I felt God had really abandoned the Church.

This seems to be the logical eventual consequences of Sedevacantism. The person is cut off from grace and the Church and slowly withers into a depressive, angry, hopelessness. God grants these feelings as signs that these souls are not on the right path as the fruits of the Catholic Faith are joy and peace not anger and despair.

The person is cut off from grace and the Church and slowly withers into a depressive, angry, hopelessness.

Okay.  So a person who is surrounded by heretical clergy, like let's say, the Arians, and who refuses to go to them for sacraments is completely deprived of grace?  Cut off, just like that?

Or the Catholics in France, who refused to avail themselves of the sacraments of apostate clerics who had made oaths to the Revolutionary regime, CUT OFF!

"The priests are heretics, so you ALL GO TO HELL!" saith the Lord.

Is that about the size of it?  And holding the Faith whole and inviolate, examining one's conscience, making confessions to the sainted confessors in Heaven, doing penance and avoiding mortal sin are useless?

I've always wondered why people smoke.  I think it is one of the most foolish things a person can do.

It's bad for one's health.
It makes one stinky.
It destroys the skin on one's fingers (if he smokes cigarettes, as I did)
It bothers other people (who don't smoke)
Etc...

May I ask if you are trying to quit, or if you do it because you enjoy it?

Quote from: stevusmagnus

The person is cut off from grace and the Church and slowly withers into a depressive, angry, hopelessness.

Okay.  So a person who is surrounded by heretical clergy, like let's say, the Arians, and who refuses to go to them for sacraments is completely deprived of grace?  Cut off, just like that?

Or the Catholics in France, who refused to avail themselves of the sacraments of apostate clerics who had made oaths to the Revolutionary regime, CUT OFF!

"The priests are heretics, so you ALL GO TO HELL!" saith the Lord.

Is that about the size of it?  And holding the Faith whole and inviolate, examining one's conscience, making confessions to the sainted confessors in Heaven, doing penance and avoiding mortal sin are useless?

Note, those situations vary significantly from the one you propose we are in now.

Other than that, tally ho!

Other than that, tally ho!

Your response hasn't actually answered the questions.  The point of the question was not "Do you think we are in the same type of situation," the question was "IF WE ARE in the same type of situation..."

Re-read my post.  I was talking specifically about the sacraments.

But now I ask you this:  When a pope dies, and the See is vacant, does all grace come to a halt?

Obviously not.

And then, if it should come to pass that those occupying the Vatican, truly were heretics, would all grace then come to a halt?

If not, would it come to a halt when the only sacraments available would be those of Baptism and Matrimony?

Of course, grace is still bestowed by those sacraments rightly entered into, so obviously not.

But what about people who fall after baptism?  Are they completely deprived of grace if they cannot get to a priest?

Oh yeah, Trent decreed that Penance is necessary, but that perfect contrition with the desire for penance may also bring about forgiveness.  And what about making a sincere confession to the Saints?  Do you deny that they truly hear such a confession?  Could it be that they also absolve the penitent from heaven (if you think this is heretical, show me why)?

Does PRAYER not merit GRACE?

In the end, stevusmagnus' post basically says nothing more than that HE believes the antipopes are in fact true popes, despite all their heresy, which he implicitly admitted to by posting "White Smoke Valid Pope".

It says nothing at all of "If sedes are right," because he doesn't want to look at that side of it, from what I can tell.

It may look to you like I don't want to either, but believe you me, I came into the sede vacante position KICKING AND SCREAMING.