Author Topic: This just truly breaks my heart (Read 3111 times)

Dawn · « **on:** November 03, 2007, 07:25:44 AM »

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=195457
I watched Life on the Rock this week and did not see Fr. Francis I just assumed he had the week to rest. I really liked this priest. When I watched the Mass on EWTN a few years back he gave good sermons as do all of the EWTN regular priests. This is the second time this happened there. The first was priest named Father John Klospar (sp). He I had even spoken to once on the phone when my second child was premature and kept in Neonatal. He gave me good advice and prayers. I really am in tears over this. May Holy Mary guide him.

MichaelSolimanto · « **Reply #1 on:** November 03, 2007, 01:26:59 PM »

Did you consider him a Catholic? Do you realize there are many other priests you have met who helped you who you now, maybe without realizing it, aren't Catholics. Ask yourself, did you think they were illuminated by the Holy Ghost? And if so how could that be if they adhered to heresy and blasphemy. It's easy to point at a Pope, but we have to remember that almost all Catholics who are traditional, let alone sedevacantists, have had some contact with a good priest who was not a sedevacantist and it's clear they have the gifts of the Holy Ghost.

I feel horrible too and yes we should pray for him.

Hermit · « **Reply #2 on:** November 03, 2007, 06:36:31 PM »

I'm shocked EWTN would announce the priest's private issues on air. What a scandal. Let us hope when the post states he became "involved with" a widow, it means a mere emotional attraction and nothing more. There is nothing greater than the priesthood. It is hard to fathom why any man would consider abandoning it. Hopefully this priest will once again value his vocation.

JoanScholastica · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2007, 03:46:06 PM »

This is the worst scandal of a priest. Unfortunately, I've known a lot NO priests who had this kind of scandal. It's DISHEARTENING but we must never lose hope. :cry:

We must continue praying for them.

Magdalene · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2007, 03:55:26 PM »

Is it a mortal sin for a priest to leave the priesthood?

If the answer is "yes", then my second question is: If is is a mortal sin for a priest to leave Holy Orders, then why does the Church abet in the priest's sin by granting laicization?

JoanScholastica · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2007, 04:03:36 PM »

I don't think so.... BUT it must first be prudently studied by the Catholic Church before granting dispensation. Am I right?

Nomas · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2007, 04:03:57 PM »

Someone needs to tell him he is going to hell for this, he has betrayed God, committed adultery against his spouse, the Catholic Church, and there is very little possibility of a true repentance as that would require him to give up his ilicit affair with this servant whore of the evil one who is seeking to damn his soul to hell.

JoanScholastica · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2007, 04:10:49 PM »

Nomas · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2007, 04:43:49 PM »

I think differently, priests receive much more grace and are expected to set a higher standard, "to those whom much is given much is expected"

The lowest levels of hell are kept for priests who betray God and some one needs to tell him, to not do so is to stand aside and usher him down the path to eternal damnation.

Sadly I don't think any of the folks at EWTN will tell him this, they wouldn't want to be seen to be harsh as it does not match their idea of what a good christian should be.

Hermit · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2007, 06:06:32 PM »

"If the answer is "yes", then my second question is: If it is a mortal sin for a priest to leave Holy Orders, then why does the Church abet in the priest's sin by granting laicization?"

I'm wondering why the Church would allow a priest to abandon the priesthood also. Can someone answer the above question? Why doesn't the Church force priests to overcome whatever temptation is luring them from their vocation? Also, can someone explain the process that occurs when a priest asks to return to the lay state? I assume he is required to explain why he can no longer function as a priest.

MichaelSolimanto · « **Reply #10 on:** November 04, 2007, 08:29:02 PM »

Quote from: Magdalene

Is it a mortal sin for a priest to leave the priesthood?

If the answer is "yes", then my second question is: If is is a mortal sin for a priest to leave Holy Orders, then why does the Church abet in the priest's sin by granting laicization?

It's actually a form of apostasy, so it's a wee bit different than mortal sin.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2007, 09:49:10 PM »

Quote from: MichaelSolimanto

It's easy to point at a Pope, but we have to remember that almost all Catholics who are traditional, let alone sedevacantists, have had some contact with a good priest who was not a sedevacantist and it's clear they have the gifts of the Holy Ghost.

Good advice, etc., is not a sure sign of the gifts of the Holy Ghost. If you do not have the Faith, you CANNOT have charity. If you do not have these supernatural virtues, you CANNOT possess the gifts of the Holy Ghost.

There are many explanations that admit of merely natural causes.

A priest who takes time off to "discern his priestly vocation" is a SCANDAL. This shows, yet again, that the Novus "Presidership" really is a JOKE.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #12 on:** November 04, 2007, 09:51:23 PM »

Quote from: Hermit

Let us hope when the post states he became "involved with" a widow, it means a mere emotional attraction and nothing more.

Let us be realistic.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #13 on:** November 04, 2007, 09:56:29 PM »

Quote from: Magdalene

If the answer is "yes", then my second question is: If is is a mortal sin for a priest to leave Holy Orders, then why does the Church abet in the priest's sin by granting laicization?

Holy Church does no such thing. The Novus, however, is a different ball of wax.

In Catholic practice, even if a man stopped performing his pristly duties - for whatever reason - he is still bound to pray the Office and MUST REMAIN CELIBATE.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for a priest to marry - EVER. The fact that the Novus 'lets' this occur should tell you something.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #14 on:** November 04, 2007, 09:58:24 PM »

Quote from: Hermit

Also, can someone explain the process that occurs when a priest asks to return to the lay state?

He is told "Tu es sacerdos IN AETERNUM secundum ordinem Melchisedech. Good day"