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Offline Lighthouse

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It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
« on: February 25, 2012, 09:38:00 PM »
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  • The Bishop's latest Eleison Comments seem to be on the verge of making some kind of statement.  

    He goes into a bit of a discussion on why a heretic is not a Catholic.  Just wondered if he had something in mind?


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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 09:41:27 PM »
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  • Do you have a link please?  What is he alluding to in your opinion?


    Offline Lighthouse

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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #2 on: February 25, 2012, 10:11:55 PM »
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  • Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #3 on: February 27, 2012, 03:08:31 PM »
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    Number CCXLI (241)
    25 February 2012

    A valuable study of conciliar ecuмenism appeared in Germany a few years ago, written by a certain Dr. Wolfgang Schüler. In "Benedict XVI and How the Church Views Itself", he argues that the ecuмenism let loose by Vatican II transformed the Church's understanding of itself, and he proves by a series of textual quotations that Joseph Ratzinger as priest, Cardinal and Pope has consistently promoted this transformation, from the time of the Council down to today. Nor can he be ashamed of having done so.

    In logical order -- it will take more than one "Eleison Comments" -- let us look at the true Church's view of itself, and then with the help of Dr Schüler, at how that view was changed by the Council and how Benedict XVI has consistently promoted that change. Finally let us draw the conclusions that emerge for Catholics wishing to keep the true Faith.

    The true Catholic Church has always seen itself as an organic whole, a society one, holy, catholic and apostolic, consisting of human beings united by the Faith, the sacraments and the Roman hierarchy. This Church is so much one, that no piece can be broken off or taken away without its ceasing to be Catholic (cf. Jn. XV, 4-6). For instance, that Faith which is the prime constituent of the Catholic believer cannot be held piecemeal, but must be held either altogether (at least implicitly) or not at all. This is because it is on the authority of God revealing the dogmas of Catholic Faith that I believe them, so that if I disbelieve only one amongst many dogmas, I am rejecting his authority behind them all, in which case even if I believe all the other dogmas, my belief is resting no longer on God's authority but only on my own choice.

    In fact the word "heretic" comes from the Greek word for "to choose" (hairein), so because a heretic's belief is henceforth merely his own choice, he has lost the supernatural virtue of faith, so that even if he rejects only one dogma of Faith, he is no longer Catholic. A famous quote of Augustine runs: "In much you are with me, in little you are not with me, but because of that little in which you are not with me, the much in which you are with me is of no use to you."

    For instance a Protestant may believe in God, he may even believe in the divinity of the man Jesus of Nazareth, but if he does not believe in the Real Presence of God, body, blood, soul and divinity, beneath the appearances of bread and wine after their consecration at Mass, then he has a profoundly different and deficient concept of the love of Jesus Christ and of the God in whom he believes. Can one then say that the true Protestant and the true Catholic believe in the same God ? Vatican II says one can, and on the basis of supposedly more or less shared beliefs between Catholics and all non-Catholics, it builds its ecuмenism. On the contrary Dr Schüler illustrates by a series of comparisons that what may look like the same belief, when it forms part of two different creeds, is not really the same at all. Here is one illustration: oxygen molecules mixed with nitrogen are the selfsame molecules as when compounded with hydrogen, but they are as different in the two cases as the air we breathe (O + 4N) from the water we drink (H20) ! Stay tuned.

    Kyrie eleison.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline Matthew

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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 03:33:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: Lighthouse
    The Bishop's latest Eleison Comments seem to be on the verge of making some kind of statement.  

    He goes into a bit of a discussion on why a heretic is not a Catholic.  Just wondered if he had something in mind?


    You'd like that, wouldn't you?

    Anyhow, the only thing earth-shattering about this Eleison Comments was the comments that preceded the Bishop's actual text. In other words, it's all in how you're framing it.

    Yes, he said he's beginning a mini-series of sorts, in which he will explain the true conception of the Church over several episodes -- but that doesn't necessarily mean he's about to make some earth-shattering announcement. You're completely reading that in yourself.

    I think you're going to be disappointed, Lighthouse.
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    Offline Lighthouse

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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #5 on: February 27, 2012, 10:54:04 PM »
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    You'd like that, wouldn't you.



    I fear you misapprehend me. The only thing I "like" is the truth. I have no idea where the Bishop is heading. But if he called and wanted to come to dinner I wouldn't be gleeful.  I'm not a gloater. We all have bodies and souls in the balance and we're all in this together, not something to be taken lightly. Blessed are the meek.



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    I think you're going to be disappointed, Lighthouse.



    I don't think you know me well enough to lead you to make that statement.




    Offline PereJoseph

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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #6 on: February 27, 2012, 11:01:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Quote from: Lighthouse
    The Bishop's latest Eleison Comments seem to be on the verge of making some kind of statement.  

    He goes into a bit of a discussion on why a heretic is not a Catholic.  Just wondered if he had something in mind?


    You'd like that, wouldn't you?


    I would, and I believe the King of Heaven would as well.

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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #7 on: February 28, 2012, 05:36:31 PM »
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  • I believe Wimbledon has a good cook  ..... serving three tasty meals a day .......


    Offline bernadette

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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 11:09:44 AM »
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    I believe Wimbledon has a good cook  ..... serving three tasty meals a day .......


    So good a cook that +Williamson now gives honor to +Fellay and Fr. Schmidberger...in his latest column just out yesterday.

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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #9 on: March 05, 2012, 12:34:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: bernadette
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    I believe Wimbledon has a good cook  ..... serving three tasty meals a day .......


    So good a cook that +Williamson now gives honor to +Fellay and Fr. Schmidberger...in his latest column just out yesterday.




    Yes, B .....  it was a bit too generous for my liking .... someone must be spiking his cocoa ......

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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #10 on: March 05, 2012, 01:16:13 PM »
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    I believe Wimbledon has a good cook  ..... serving three tasty meals a day .......


    So good a cook that +Williamson now gives honor to +Fellay and Fr. Schmidberger...in his latest column just out yesterday.




    Yes, B .....  it was a bit too generous for my liking .... someone must be spiking his cocoa ......


    Either spiking the cocoa or else he clearly realizes that it's join sspx/newChurch or admit the sedevacante position (no more untenable fence-sitting!)....he's too old to start anew, and besides....he likes his three squares!


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    It seems Bishop Williamson is about to make some change
    « Reply #11 on: March 06, 2012, 03:07:05 PM »
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  • I wish you would stop reading my mind like this! The folk at IA are punting up the bunting already and giving thanks that the bishop has returned to the fold! Or that is my impression. It is amazing how they all move like one mass, right or left, in unison.

    Of course the bishop has had enough time to work out what course to take post-preamble. Fr. Schmidberger has said he will obey Fellay and the last letter is giving out hints to this effect. The SV option has been heavily discounted by Stephen Heiner; I fear he is not really liked in that world and would need to mend a lot of bridges. The stalemate default position of the forty-year old Society could continue into the future and he would mellow with age, alas. This is like writing his obituary!!!