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Offline Gregory I

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  • "SVists cling on to the faith in the stormy seas, safe in the knowledge that, if they're right, an eternal crown awaits them and, if they're wrong, a Vatican II god will embrace them as separated brethren." - Paul Danon

    This was just too awesome to ignore.

    But it is true. If Vatican II is true, then God holds nothing against us, because we are sincere.

    But if vatican II is false, then we are honoring God.

    Win-Win!
    'Take care not to resemble the multitude whose knowledge of God's will only condemns them to more severe punishment.'

    -St. John of Avila


    Offline Daegus

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #1 on: September 24, 2011, 08:00:55 PM »
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  • The real reason why sedevacantism cannot be condemned is because it is a position that is very highly likely to be true, if not indefinitely true.
    For those who I have unjustly offended, please forgive me. Please disregard my posts where I lacked charity and you will see that I am actually a very nice person. Disregard my opinions on "NFP", "Baptism of Desire/Blood" and the changes made to the sacra


    Offline Telesphorus

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 08:08:31 PM »
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  • What the modernists imagine to be God is powerless to judge anyone.

    Now the "Divine Judge" of the SSPX pantheon, however, will send sedes to hell (or at least sue them) even though Archbishop Lefebvre said that one cannot say that one may not say the Pope is not the Pope.


    Offline Telesphorus

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2011, 08:17:40 PM »
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    will send sedes to hell (or at least sue them) . . .


    And tell young women not to speak to them!

    Offline PartyIsOver221

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 08:51:34 PM »
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  • YES YES YES!!!!

    What a great quote, its exactly what I've been trying to remember for years of something I heard ...but forgot.


    THANK YOU GREGORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!


     :dancing:


    Offline Sigismund

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 10:37:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    What the modernists imagine to be God is powerless to judge anyone.

    Now the "Divine Judge" of the SSPX pantheon, however, will send sedes to hell (or at least sue them) even though Archbishop Lefebvre said that one cannot say that one may not say the Pope is not the Pope.



    Well, perhaps if they offer the SSPX a Doctrinal Preamble, Detente can be achieved.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

    Offline Charles

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #6 on: September 24, 2011, 10:41:20 PM »
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    Quote from: Telesphorus
    What the modernists imagine to be God is powerless to judge anyone.

    Now the "Divine Judge" of the SSPX pantheon, however, will send sedes to hell (or at least sue them) even though Archbishop Lefebvre said that one cannot say that one may not say the Pope is not the Pope.



    Well, perhaps if they offer the SSPX a Doctrinal Preamble, Detente can be achieved.


    Detente

    Been a while since I have seen that word.



    Offline Charles

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #7 on: September 24, 2011, 10:46:45 PM »
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  • I don't see God the Father damning Sedes. Not with the about face the Church has done.

    Besides :

     "It is granted to few to recognize the true Church amid the darkness of so many schisms and heresies, and to fewer still so to love the truth which they have seen as to fly to its embrace."
    St. Robert Bellarmine


    "Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ."
    St. Athanasius, AD 373

    These saints had to be talking about someone.


    Offline stevusmagnus

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 12:30:47 AM »
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  • The modernists believe only one category of people will go to Hell. Trads!

    Offline Roman Catholic

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 12:47:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: stevusmagnus
    The modernists believe only one category of people will go to Hell. Trads!


    Yeah, but many of the Modernists who still believe in hell don't believe it lasts forever, so as far as they are concerned there is still hope for trads - who will all eventually repent of their authentic Catholicism while they are roasting in hell for it, and then ultimately find their way to Modernist Heaven.

    But yes, of course there are those other Modernists who make a special exception, for trads, to their belief in Universal Salvation.
     
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    Offline Stephen Francis

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 06:20:56 PM »
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  • What I've NEVER understood about modernists/Bogus Ordo "believers" is how on Earth they can ignore the very, very simple logic that is needed to reach the conclusion that so many have.

    The Bible and the Church tell us that there is ONE God.

    The Bible tells us that this ONE God sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to Earth to live, die and be resurrected as the Sacrifice for the sins of His people. By these and many other proofs, Jesus Christ proved that He was (and is) God Almighty Himself and the second Person of the most holy Trinity.

    The Bible tells us that anyone who DENIES that Jesus is all that He said He is CANNOT be saved.

    Therefore, anyone who steadfastly holds to the above error OR SUPPORTS/APPROVES OF others in said error is a HERETIC and on their way to Hell.

    The Second Vatican Council and the men elected to the Papacy since the Council have been manifest heretics, because they have both taught the heresy of non-Christians "worship[ping] the same God" and have approved of the "worship" offered to false gods and idols.

    The "Novus Ordo" is worthless, because its very existence and promulgation flies DIRECTLY in the face of Quo Primum, in which His Holiness specifically invoked the full authority of the Church and bound Christians to obedience IN PERPETUITY.

    Wojtyla allowed pagan animists, Buddhists and other adherents of false religions to use chapels and other Church facilities WHICH WERE CONSECRATED FOR THE WORSHIP OF ALMIGHTY GOD, for the practice of their disgusting pagan religions. He prayed WITH heretics and approved of their heresies; he himself was therefore a heretic.

    Ratzinger has likewise prayed with and for heretics and Christ-deniers, and has loudly and proudly approved of their false teachings as well. Ergo, Ratzinger is a heretic.

    All the baloney that some NO presbyter wrote about "excommunication not being the same as expulsion from the Church because the indelible mark of Baptism remains" is hogwash, pure and simple. The Scriptures tell us that those who deny Christ and trample His Sacrifice under their feet will go to Hell. I know that sounds REALLY scary, but the FACT is that people who were validly baptized have fallen into grave, mortal sin and have died in said state of sin and gone to Hell.

    A manifest heretic who believes, teaches and supports heresy, ESPECIALLY as it pertains to the Person and work of Christ, is in mortal sin and WILL go to Hell unless they repent and make a good and total confession and do penance.

    People can toss around words like "sedevacantist" all they want; titles like that mean nothing to me. What the Church once taught is what She STILL teaches, and those who have strayed from Her truth are in danger of Hell.

    I do not listen to heretics, I do not acknowledge heretics to be part of the Church, and I await the day (SOON, LORD!) when order is restored and those who deny Christ and blaspheme the Trinity will get their due.

    Mary, Help of Christians, pray for us.
    St. Anthony of Padua, hammer of heretics, terror of Hell, pray for us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


    Offline PartyIsOver221

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #11 on: September 25, 2011, 06:21:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stephen Francis
    What I've NEVER understood about modernists/Bogus Ordo "believers" is how on Earth they can ignore the very, very simple logic that is needed to reach the conclusion that so many have.
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    See that, Spiritus? Look what you started... Bogus Ordo is picking up steam everywhere now.


    Nice.

    Offline ServusSpiritusSancti

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #12 on: September 25, 2011, 08:22:14 PM »
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  • Haha, that's awesome. Hopefully one of these days the "Bogus Ordo" will become the NO's official name! That's what it should have been named to begin with.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline Anna1959

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    This is an awesome quote: Why the Sedevacantist cannot be condemned.
    « Reply #13 on: September 25, 2011, 08:39:12 PM »
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  • I started using the term "bogus ordo" on another forum, and everyone got a kick out of it.  :dancing-banana:

    When I was younger, as a non-Catholic growing up in a very Catholic neighborhood, one thing that always made me have little respect for Catholics was what I saw as their BLIND obedience. Fortunately when I was older and decided to find the Traditional Catholic Faith (which I learned of through Catholic relatives), I was relieved to find that there truly were INTELLIGENT Catholics who understood what a truly informed conscience is. I think what initially drew me to Traditional Catholicism was that yes, here were actual Catholics who knew how to think!
    "If I am not in the state of grace, may the Lord put me in it. And if I am in the state of grace, may the Lord keep me in it".--St Jehanne D'Arc, during her trial.