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Offline TKGS

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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2015, 01:18:07 PM »
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    Fr. hαɾɾιson's ultimate problem is the fact that his pope and bishops simply don't interpret DH the way he does.


    While this is true, the reason for this is that Fr. hαɾɾιson's explanation is bunk and "his pope and bishops" are actually correct in their understanding of it and of its logical conclusions and concrete application.  Fr. hαɾɾιson is attempting to do theological gymnastics (like playing the old Twister game) in order to get the new and the old to fit and doesn't really convince anybody ... except those few NeoCon Catholics who WANT to be convinced by it.


    This is absolutely correct!

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    Also, Summorum was nothing but a clever sleight of hand.  You see, with the Indult, the Tridentine Mass was forbidden except when permitted.  With SP, it was permitted except when forbidden.


    This is the best explanation of Summorum Pontificuм I've ever seen.  I'll be using this next time some dolt starts on me of the glories of SP.  Thanks Ladislaus.


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    « Reply #16 on: July 06, 2015, 02:12:21 PM »
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    This is the best explanation of Summorum Pontificuм I've ever seen.  I'll be using this next time some dolt starts on me of the glories of SP.  Thanks Ladislaus.


    No problem.  I actually read the whole thing when it came out and this immediately jumped off the page.  Really the only benefit is to priests offering private Masses (e.g. old retired priests).  But no sooner did SP come out then the talk of "merging" the two "forms" became prevalent.  Ratzinger has shown himself in a number of areas to be a Hegelian.


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    « Reply #17 on: July 07, 2015, 06:04:17 AM »
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    Also, Summorum was nothing but a clever sleight of hand.  You see, with the Indult, the Tridentine Mass was forbidden except when permitted.  With SP, it was permitted except when forbidden (due to the last out clause which allowed the bishops final say in the matter).  It was just a trick to win over Traditionalists, a bait set for them to lure them into the V2 trap.


    I often wonder whether Benedict XVI's moves towards Tradition (Summorum Pontificuм, lifting "excommunications" of the SSPX's bishops etc.) were indeed - as you suggest - a trap set for Traditionalists in order to bring them back to the Conciliar Church and thus extinguish any remaining pockets of resistance against Vatican II revolution, or did Benedict XVI have some sort of genuine sympathy (devotion is probably too big word) for Tradition - at least in terms of liturgy - and tried the impossible task of creating a hybrid between Modernism and Tradition?  

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    « Reply #18 on: July 07, 2015, 09:20:05 PM »
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  • I agree it's completely ridiculous.

    One of the only "advantages" of living in the post 1958 world after the death of Pope Pius XII and this far removed from the 1960's and Vatican II when the civilization essentially collapsed(not a coincidence by the way), aside from the technology, is that we can see the absurdity of the Fr. Brian hαɾɾιsons of the world positions.

    In other words with this much hindsight we can easily see that the condemnation of "Religious Liberty" by the True Church and the True Vicars of Jesus Christ was exactly what it had always traditionally thought to be which is that no other religions have a right to be propagated and that the concept itself is an evil principle and therefore not from God.

    The most recent Supreme Court decision as well as others let's us see this with clear eyes. All you have to do is read the Pre-Conciliar True Popes and what they warned would happen if a principle like "religious liberty" became widespread and walk out your door, turn on the T.V. and observe.

    Pope Leo, I believe?, said that this evil principle would lead to religious indifferentism to which he went on to say would end up in practical atheism and no different to it in practice. And look at this society. It's for all intents and purpose as well as objectively observable atheist in nature. Look at the views of the people and the government. It's exactly what the Popes said would happen. Atheism. God is talked about but he is no more than an agnosticated, deist version of a maybe. Like some sort of Spiritual maybe and it's completely denied that any guidance at all can be taken from him/her/it because well there's so many different versions of the "truth" and religions.

    So it becomes obvious to those of us with half a brain still functioning and can still reason at a modest level that yes, of course, The True Church, and the True Vicars and the Triune God condemned this evil principle straight from the pitt of hell. Being alive in 2015 and having access to the pre-conciliar teachings, as well as the ability to take in and process observations from our current environment makes it completely OBVIOUS to anyone educated enough with two brain cells functioning what the Church meant with it's Traditional Teaching against religious liberty. It's OBVIOUSLY an evil principle with the benefit of 200 years or more of hindsight and therefore would never have come from God and the Church and of course we also know that the Masons own it proudly as one of their principles. And we know where the masonic sect comes from. Once again read the True Popes.

    So Fr. hαɾɾιson attempting to convince anyone but the uneducated, uninformed, willfully ignorant or the virtually brain dead with this type of ridiculousness is quite frankly almost funny or amusing. I mean it's 2015. We see fruits of what this "right" or principle has caused and can easily conclude that it is not of God.    

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    « Reply #19 on: July 08, 2015, 02:09:09 PM »
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  • Interesting in the first 10 minutes Bishop Sanborn talks about this topic of "religious liberty" and it's free thanks to a donor:

    In this month’s episode of The Root of the Rot, Bishop Donald Sanborn analyzes numerous quotes of Paul VI in the light of Catholicism.

    As it turns out, in the pre-internet era, Paul VI made many shocking statements that were simply not caught and analyzed.

    In his words and deeds Paul VI led the "revolution in tiara and cope" and paved the way, and probably in many ways, inspired men like Jorge Bergoglio. Find out what Paul VI said and what true Popes of the Catholic Church have said in direct opposition to him.


    http://www.restorationradionetwork.org/season-4-the-root-of-the-rot-episode-11-paul-vi-the-pre-bergoglio/