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Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
« on: December 26, 2021, 09:15:00 PM »
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  • Has anyone else seen this video? I remember watching it years ago in its entirety, and from what I remember it is very well researched. It is a video that essentially tries to predict how the Great Chastisement will unfold and attempts at deducing the Third Secret, pulling mainly from Sister Lucy and Fr. Malachi Martin as the main sources. The video creator doesn't get into the Fake Sister Lucy situation, which is somewhat lamentable. If you've seen it, let me know what you think of it. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a watch. 




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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #1 on: December 28, 2021, 08:32:58 PM »
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  • This video (part 3 in this series) shows the surprising connections between the revelations of Our Lady of Fatima and a CIA declassified book on how global earthquakes and flooding could (and will in the near future) ravage the modern world. This theory presents the best explanation I've seen for what the Miracle of the Sun represents, and how the Chastisement will unfold. A very sobering watch for those interested:




    Note: the creator of this video, along with his source material, agree with modern cosmology. I am interested to hear from those who do not subscribe to such opinions (I am a geocentrist myself, lean globe earth but am unsure on that front) as how the data collected works with these models. This is likely another case of a source getting correct evidence, but interpreting it according to an incorrect bias.

    What I mean by that last sentence is more clearly demonstrated by this example: Plant remains, dinosaur bones, and even samples of ancient soil have been found in Antarctica that prove that the continent was warm at one point, but when this data is interpreted (as it has been) by modern scientists, they interpret it according to their biases of Lyellian geology and Darwinism, which leads to an incorrect conclusion about how far back in time Antarctica was warm. But despite their false interpretation, the data still definitively proves that Antarctica was warm at one point in the past, and if someone without those biases were to examine the same data, they would come to a more accurate conclusion about how long ago this was.


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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #2 on: December 28, 2021, 08:53:23 PM »
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  • So you were the original poster after all :laugh1:

    I watched it thanks to you. I'd already seen the Malachi Martin info, but not some of it concerning Sr. Lucia. I haven't seen if he has made a follow-up on the two Sr. Lucias question. Though it doesn't look like the JPII issue has much of an effect on his theory anyway, since he considers it ongoing.

    Admittedly, the Carrington Event is only interesting to me because of the continuous propaganda about a planned blackout in the near future. It may tie into the Cyber Polygon, which was thought to be a precursor to something, and then we all know nothing happened. I've thought the blackout was a stupid plan, but if there is going to be a massive world-wide EMP then it might make sense to make use of it for the Great Reset. If it's going to be a natural event then the obvious issue will be that there is no controlling it and there is a bit of dicework there in sticking the landing on the other side of the event.

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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #3 on: December 28, 2021, 08:58:30 PM »
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  • If it is a Carrington event, and They know about it, then, well, the so-called "Elites" better buckle-up, because their plans are not going to go the way they think after the fact. I'll start listening to it on my drive home tonight, thanks for sharing and God bless, LouisIX.
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    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #4 on: December 28, 2021, 11:17:09 PM »
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  • I'm about 30 minutes into the 1st part, and there's a couple red flags for me:

    1. Trusting Malachi Martin on this subject, as the man has proven to be an enigma and had a penchant for appealing to his audience (he was also into the Kabbalah, read "In Quest of Catholicity" for proof).
    2. This guy has full-on bought into the masonic cosmology which is promoted as "truth". Therefore, his speculation about the spear are no more convincing than Yves Dupont's belief that the Chastisement would come by way of comet

    Again, I'm only 30 minutes in and willing to hear him out, but, I'm so far not really into his interpretation of events.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #5 on: December 28, 2021, 11:31:07 PM »
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  • I'm about 30 minutes into the 1st part, and there's a couple red flags for me:

    1. Trusting Malachi Martin on this subject, as the man has proven to be an enigma and had a penchant for appealing to his audience (he was also into the Kabbalah, read "In Quest of Catholicity" for proof).
    2. This guy has full-on bought into the masonic cosmology which is promoted as "truth". Therefore, his speculation about the spear are no more convincing than Yves Dupont's belief that the Chastisement would come by way of comet

    Again, I'm only 30 minutes in and willing to hear it him out, but, I'm so far not really into his interpretation of events.
    Thanks for saving me time. Malachi Martin should be on the Index.
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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #6 on: December 28, 2021, 11:52:38 PM »
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  • I think that part 3 far outdoes part 1, so I would recommend skipping over to that one. An added bonus of part 3 is that it does not rely that much on Malachi Martin. The interpretation of the Miracle of Sun in that video is essentially that it was a kind of vision of how the sun will appear during the Chastisement. The sun will appear to move about because of the global earthquakes along the fault lines, which will dramatically shake the surface, making it appear to people on the ground as if the sun is moving. One could interpret this according to an FE or GE geocentrist cosmology. (That is not where his analysis of the Miracle of the Sun ends, however, so I recommend listening to all of what he has to say about that). 

    He reinterprets the tip of the spear differently in part 3, as some kind of potential solar flare or perhaps a flaming sword of an Angel. He’s not definitive about it, but he moves away from the previous interpretation about it being some kind of Russian superweapon. 

    A connection: since there are angels who have been given power to govern nature, it makes sense that there are angels that govern the sun, and that an angel could draw up a solar flare, or as it would appear, a “tip of the spear”, to use as an instrument of Divine Justice if it was commanded to do so by Almighty God. 


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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #7 on: December 29, 2021, 12:11:17 AM »
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  • So you were the original poster after all :laugh1:

    Of course :laugh1:

    I watched it thanks to you. I'd already seen the Malachi Martin info, but not some of it concerning Sr. Lucia. I haven't seen if he has made a follow-up on the two Sr. Lucias question. Though it doesn't look like the JPII issue has much of an effect on his theory anyway, since he considers it ongoing.

    Admittedly, the Carrington Event is only interesting to me because of the continuous propaganda about a planned blackout in the near future. It may tie into the Cyber Polygon, which was thought to be a precursor to something, and then we all know nothing happened. I've thought the blackout was a stupid plan, but if there is going to be a massive world-wide EMP then it might make sense to make use of it for the Great Reset. If it's going to be a natural event then the obvious issue will be that there is no controlling it and there is a bit of dicework there in sticking the landing on the other side of the event.

    At the end of part 3, the creator of this series does mention that he will address the Sister Lucy controversy in a future video. Yes, it looks like the plandemic and Cyber Polygon are all stepping stones as to how they wish to control the masses prior to this event so that they won’t get too uppity during the ordeal, so that the self-righteous elites will be able to board their private flights to Antarctica in peace. 

    I think this event could have been prevented if men had done the penance asked for at Fatima, if enough Catholics had taken the First Saturdays seriously, and had remained faithful amidst the tide of modern errors. The consecration of Russia would have been done before WW2, as it was supposed to, and God would have lifted the threat of chastisement against the world as he did to Nineveh when that city did penance. God could easily stop this natural disaster from unfolding, like how Our Lord calmed the sea.

    But, it is because of the outrageous sins of the 20th and 21st centuries that this calamity will be brought upon us. 

    God bless, glad to see that this thread is generating more discussion. 


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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #8 on: December 29, 2021, 07:06:04 AM »
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  • ... so that the self-righteous elites will be able to board their private flights to Antarctica in peace.
    This bolded quote has made me think, even before the thread. People were already talking about this in the FE topics, but the Carrington Event connection adds a bit more sense to it. I don't think I believe there are Nephilim buried under Antarctica, etc., but it might make sense if the PTB believe it will be one of the few livable places after the magnetic shift.

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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #9 on: December 29, 2021, 08:37:25 AM »
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  • It's things like the coming Chastisement and restoration that make me think MHFM may have been right about JPII



    The reason I say this is due to Fr. Berry's reading of the timeline of events, wherein the Antichrist precedes the Restoration of the Church, followed by centuries of peace before the final battle of Gog and Magog. It also wouldn't be much of a deception if people weren't deceived by Antichrist to begin with. And given that sins against the first thru third Commandments are the most offensive against God, a man like JPII preaching such a heinous and insidious anti-Gospel has resulted in the deception and death of millions upon millions of souls in Hell. A worse fate than any sort of bodily chastisements.

    But, I digress, as there are also things prophesied that were not fulfilled during JPII's reign of terror.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #10 on: December 29, 2021, 08:55:23 AM »
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  • It's things like the coming Chastisement and restoration that make me think MHFM may have been right about JPII



    The reason I say this is due to Fr. Berry's reading of the timeline of events, wherein the Antichrist precedes the Restoration of the Church, followed by centuries of peace before the final battle of Gog and Magog. It also wouldn't be much of a deception if people weren't deceived by Antichrist to begin with. And given that sins against the first thru third Commandments are the most offensive against God, a man like JPII preaching such a heinous and insidious anti-Gospel has resulted in the deception and death of millions upon millions of souls in Hell. A worse fate than any sort of bodily chastisements.

    But, I digress, as there are also things prophesied that were not fulfilled during JPII's reign of terror.

    Biggest problem with that theory is that JPII doesn't fulfill all the marks of the Antichrist. He did not issue the Mark of the Beast, nor did achievement world domination in the way that this passage implies that the Antichrist will do (though the blaspheming bit fits quite well with his actions):

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    And he [the Beast] opened his mouth unto blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And power was given him over every tribe, and people, and tongue, and nation. And all that dwell upon the earth adored him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world.  If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that shall lead into captivity, shall go into captivity: he that shall kill by the sword, must be killed by the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

    (Apocalypse 13:6-10)

    I think that the reading of the Restoration coming after the Antichrist comes off as Millennialist, and that a more suitable interpretation of the thousand years is age of Christendom from approximately 500 AD-1500 AD. This is how Bishop Williamson interpreted it in one of his seminary lectures on the Book of the Apocalypse, when covering the chapter that mentions the thousand years. He says, if I am remembering properly, that it would make less sense for the thousand years to be approximately from the years 2000-3000 (these conferences were given in 1998 and 1999) than the years 500-1500, due to the way man has generally degraded every generation further removed from Adam and Eve since the Fall. I'll find that conference and link it here for reference and maybe make a clip out of his discussion of the subject.



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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #11 on: December 29, 2021, 09:02:41 AM »
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  • This bolded quote has made me think, even before the thread. People were already talking about this in the FE topics, but the Carrington Event connection adds a bit more sense to it. I don't think I believe there are Nephilim buried under Antarctica, etc., but it might make sense if the PTB believe it will be one of the few livable places after the magnetic shift.

    According to part 3 and the source material The Adam and Eve Story by Chan Thomas, Antarctica will (once again) become a tropical paradise due to the shift in the poles. So their actions and policies towards that continent make far more sense with this in mind than with any other explanation, on top of what already might be there. 

    Some info on this book from a site with a different version up for download than the CIA version: 

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    In The Adam and Eve Story, Chan proposed that the pole shift was much greater, as much as 90 degrees with the poles shifting into the equatorial zone in less than a day. Chan has proposed the poles would flip back and forth in this way so that Antarctica would eventually return to the South Pole region, and the Arctic would do likewise.



    Difference from the CIA version:

    Includes three additional chapters: Cataclysms Revisited, Conclusion, and The Author

    Cataclysms Revisited from Page 63 to page 118, just prior to Conclusion India, Greece, Egypt and the entire end section.

    In the early 1960s, Thomas Chan wrote a book titled The Adam and Eve Story and attempted to have it published by Emerson House in Los Angeles.

    Soon after publishing the full issue, the CIA classified his book for 50 years. An FOIA lawsuit was filed against the CIA to release the book.

    In 2013, the CIA released a "cleansed" version of the original book (50 pages out of 240 original pages).

    The major difference to Hapgood's claims is that, according to Chan Thomas, the crust moved back to its original position within a relatively short time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataclysmic_pole_shift_hypothesis


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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #12 on: December 29, 2021, 06:48:29 PM »
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  • I'm about 30 minutes into the 1st part, and there's a couple red flags for me:

    1. Trusting Malachi Martin on this subject, as the man has proven to be an enigma and had a penchant for appealing to his audience (he was also into the Kabbalah, read "In Quest of Catholicity" for proof).
    2. This guy has full-on bought into the masonic cosmology which is promoted as "truth". Therefore, his speculation about the spear are no more convincing than Yves Dupont's belief that the Chastisement would come by way of comet

    Again, I'm only 30 minutes in and willing to hear him out, but, I'm so far not really into his interpretation of events.
    I looked up the book you mentioned and read this review:

    Misrepresented as authored by Malachi Martin.
    "The parts of the book written by Fr. Martin are great; however, those parts are a small and few. Most of the book consists of personal letters written by an enthusiastic fan writing TO Fr. Martin, which I found tedious."

    Can you be more specific in this charge against Father Martin?
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    Re: Third Secret of Fatima Theory: The Tip of the Spear as a Flame
    « Reply #13 on: December 29, 2021, 07:23:41 PM »
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  • I looked up the book you mentioned and read this review:

    Misrepresented as authored by Malachi Martin.
    "The parts of the book written by Fr. Martin are great; however, those parts are a small and few. Most of the book consists of personal letters written by an enthusiastic fan writing TO Fr. Martin, which I found tedious."

    Can you be more specific in this charge against Father Martin?
    Sure, it is a collection of correspondence between Fr. Malachi Martin and renowned physicist Dr. Wolfgang Smith. Within the book they share love for such topics as Jean Borella, their thoughts on Hans Urs von Balthasar, as well as Lutheran "mystic" Jacob Boehme (a Hermeticist), and the Kabbalah itself.

    Excerpts of Fr. Martin from Chapter I "Enter Jacob Boehme":

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    Incidentally, has anyone - except Isaiah in his mocking dirge for the Son of the Dawn - ever expressed the terrible ontological shipwreck that Lucifer achieved? I have copied out Boehme's paragraphs for quotation to penitents and to people undergoing both demonic obsession and demonic possession. Boehme expresses such disgust and contempt together with such bitter regret over the spoiling of Lucifer's original archangelic beauty and excellence. Boehme, by the way, strikes a very authentic note in not calling Lucifer an archangel but a member of the Second Choir of Angels (the Cherubim). p. 20
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    You have my particular thanks for responding to my question about spirit and spiritual. The parallels with the Kabbalah and the triple world of the Vedic tradition fit into this picture. I am still inclined to ascribe all such "traces" to the original Hermetic knowledge (Revelation?) which I have always thought of as the pre-Christ Christology. If I do not presuppose this, I find it difficult to account for such wisdom in so many diverse places and sources. Perhaps I must wait for the Beatific Vision in eternity before knowing the answer. p. 20
    [...]
    At the same time, I know that in this letter I have used language both exoteric and esoteric. Even before I entered all this, this year, I was thinking outside such bounds, especially when trying (Anselmwise) to understand for instance why Lord Jesus could realistically say, at the Last Supper before He died and rose and ascended, "This is My Body..." Or understand His words to Mary Magdalene in the Garden on Easter morn. Or how I can possibly be associated with Him in enacting Calvary at my daily Mass.
    There are a thousand and one scintillations of truth opened up to me like precious diamonds in your scripts and your book as well as in your Jacob Boehme that you have become my benefactor under Christ's providence. All sorts of precious revelations. p. 22


    Excerpt of Fr. Martin from Chapter VI "Concerning the Kabbalah":

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    Dear Wolfgang,

    An immediate reaction to yours of December 15. When you mentioned Ibn Gebirol, I looked him up, and of course saw what you see. Boehme, Kabbalah and the Hermetic strain cannot be separated, as you say. The Rabbis realized that there was a special reason why the FIRST creation of God was Light: "Let there be light." And I know you read that last quotation from Book I of the Zohar in relation to the Prologue to the Fourth Gospel.
    God, the Light, surely acted through Boehme, Rabbi Isaac and Ibn Gebirol and others. You now have a great opportunity to explain the unity of the mystical knowledge of the divine as distinct from the rational. I do believe John of the Cross with his doctrine of Light and Darkness belongs in this explication.
    The Kabbalah connection is obvious. Interestingly, the root-word in Semitic, QBL, has the same basic signification as the Greek καταλαμβανο which John the Evangelist uses in regard to man’s incapacity/non-reception/rejection of the LIGHT. The Gematric value of ‘OR and RAS was important to the Rabbis. But the best among them used Gematric values, not as normative of meaning, but as confirmative.
    In a previous letter I mentioned certain caveats and precautions in expounding this magnificent theme to a Roman Catholic audience. After the New Year’s beginning, let me drop you a few lines about this matter.

    Blessings, again, on you and Thea.
    Love,
    Malachi p. 80

    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]