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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Ladislaus on March 16, 2023, 11:10:54 AM
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Someone posted this on another thread, but I felt that it deserved a thread of its own. Father Amorth knew Padre Pio for 26 years. Lots of interesting things in this link, but this struck me in particular.
https://onepeterfive.com/chief-exorcist-father-amorth-padre-pio-knew-the-third-secret/
“Indeed,” he states, “One day Padre Pio said to me very sorrowfully: ‘You know, Gabriele? It is Satan who has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and within a very short time will come to rule a false Church.’”
“Oh my God! Some kind of Antichrist! When did he prophesy this to you?” I [Zavala] ask.
“It must have been about 1960, since I was already a priest then.”
“Was that why John XXIII had such a panic about publishing the Third Secret of Fatima, so that the people wouldn’t think that he was the anti-pope or whatever it was …?”
A slight but knowing smile curls the lips of Father Amorth.
“Did Padre Pio say anything else to you about future catastrophes: earthquakes, floods, wars, epidemics, hunger …? Did he allude to the same plagues prophesied in the Holy Scriptures?” [asks Mr. Zavala]
“Nothing of the sort mattered to him, however terrifying they proved to be, except for the great apostasy within the Church. This was the issue that really tormented him and for which he prayed and offered a great part of his suffering, crucified out of love.” [says Fr. Amorth]
“The Third Secret of Fatima?”
“Exactly.”
So, Father Amorth says this conversation occurred sometime about 1960 since he was already a priest then. Father was ordained in 1951, and his recollection that he was already a priest (that this sticks out to him perhaps more than it would had he already been a priest for 9 years) suggests it may have been earlier than 1960.
In any case, Padre Pio reportedly stated that "Satan ... within a very short time will come to rule a false Church."
So this basically says that the Conciliar Church is a false Church under the rule of Satan. Sounds about right.
Toward the end, he also says that Padre Pio made no mention of any physical chastisements but only about this great apostasy. This backs up a very incisive comment made by the Dimond Brothers that Garabandal and Akita, etc. were false diabolical revelations, and that their intent was to obscure the Fatima secret about this apostasy, putting the emphasis instead on "fire from heaven" and other physical chastisements, making people think that the chastisement foretold at Fatima would be in the future rather than taking place right before their eyes.
Cardinal Ciappi, who read the Third Secret, confirms this in stating that the Third Secret is about "an apostasy that begins at the top." Hmmm. What or who is the "top" of the Church? So then why was Wojtyla claiming in 1980 that the secret was about oceans flooding large sections of the earth?
Sister Lucia said the Third Secret would become much clearer by 1960.
There's no doubt whatsoever that the Third Secret was about the false Conciliar Church and the Novus Ordo apostasy, and that's why the V2 antipopes suppressed it. Father Amorth smiled when asked if this is why Roncalli suppressed it.
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Toward the end, he also says that Padre Pio made no mention of any physical chastisements but only about this great apostasy. This backs up a very incisive comment made by the Dimond Brothers that Garabandal and Akita, etc. were false diabolical revelations, and that their intent was to obscure the Fatima secret about this apostasy, putting the emphasis instead on "fire from heaven" and other physical chastisements, making people think that the chastisement foretold at Fatima would be in the future rather than taking place right before their eyes.
I've really been reconsidering the "physical chastisements" myself. Imagine if the future were full of more of the fakery that we've been seeing. Another "pandemic." A fake dirty bomb "exploding" in some major American city. The tightening controls and continued apostasy would be real, but the world itself would not see any major physical changes. Rather than a big war, they might lock down the country and disappear undesirables (note: speculating, not predicting or adhering to this idea). Makes one wonder.
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Toward the end, he also says that Padre Pio made no mention of any physical chastisements but only about this great apostasy. This backs up a very incisive comment made by the Dimond Brothers that Garabandal and Akita, etc. were false diabolical revelations, and that their intent was to obscure the Fatima secret about this apostasy, putting the emphasis instead on "fire from heaven" and other physical chastisements, making people think that the chastisement foretold at Fatima would be in the future rather than taking place right before their eyes.
Right. Even Fr Malachy Martin, when asked on the Art Bell radio show about "natural disasters" being in the 3rd Secret, said, "No, it's much worse than that." Of course, Art Bell couldn't grasp the significance of a spiritual chastisement.
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Nothing could be worse, than the lose of souls.
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I've really been reconsidering the "physical chastisements" myself. Imagine if the future were full of more of the fakery that we've been seeing.
Yes, I see what you're saying. If one reads Matthew 24, when Christ is speaking of false christs, tribulations, martyrdoms, etc, the natural disasters and nature's upheaval against mankind ONLY happens after Christians are killed. This is towards the end of the tribulation. Then Christ says "immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light" etc. I think this is the "3 days of darkness".
So the crisis in the Church is the ultimate chastisement for the world, which leads to global communism, which leads to slavery, persecution and God allowing nature to rebel against mankind, whereupon He "cleans house" during the "3 days of darkness" (after, finally, some good pope consecrates Russia during the worldwide chaos). By the time the "physical chastiments" happen, it's too late in the game to change anything.
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Of course, Art Bell couldn't grasp the significance of a spiritual chastisement.
Perhaps the peak of the spiritual chastisement will be Francis "dissolving" his Church in order to join the future global one-world religion. What would appear to be the complete disappearance of the Roman Catholic Church.
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In my opinion, the church has already been destroyed except for small pockets here and there. Satin is very comfortable in the Popes chair now, as for told by Our Lady of La Salette. It's very easy to point the finger at this Pope or former Popes, but the real cause are we the people. Our Lady at Fatima said that the Pope would not consecrate Russia till enough people are praying the rosary. There are not enough graces going toward the Pope because of our lack of rosaries and sacrifices. I don't think any of us can say that we haven't contributed to the current situation. Even if were praying the rosary and doing other spiritual exercise, everyone of us, myself included, could of, and still can and should do more. We who pray regularly must pray even more and harder to make up for those who don't. It's very easy to lose something, but very hard to find it or take it back once it's lost. We lost the graces, and now the church. It will be a huge uphill climb to get it back, and it will come after many punishments and chastisements. We who are living, still have a chance. I really feel for those who are deceased, who may have lost their soul because of false and evil priests, bishops, cardinals, and the pope. True in the end, we win but only with God's grace poured out on us after more rosaries and sacrifices are being made. Pray, Pray and Pray some more. I know it's not easy to add to perhaps an already steady pray life. The world constantly distracts us and pulls us away in many different directions. We just have to pray, hope and not worry. It's in Gods hands.
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I've really been reconsidering the "physical chastisements" myself. Imagine if the future were full of more of the fakery that we've been seeing. Another "pandemic." A fake dirty bomb "exploding" in some major American city. The tightening controls and continued apostasy would be real, but the world itself would not see any major physical changes. Rather than a big war, they might lock down the country and disappear undesirables (note: speculating, not predicting or adhering to this idea). Makes one wonder.
I believe that the physical chastisements will actually be a great Mercy from God, and will be intended once and for all to put an end to the spiritual crisis. God chastises those whom He loves. When there are wars or famines or plauges, the churches fill up and people return to God. But God has allowed this incredible hedonism and immorality to go unchecked for many decades now, and that to me is the worst sign, where God is NOT intervening with a chastisement to correct it. It's like a parent who attempts to discipline a child to correct his behavior over and over again, but then at some point decides, "You know what. This is of no use. God ahead and do what you want." That's a parent who's giving up on the child and cutting him loose to his own devices.
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In my opinion, the church has already been destroyed except for small pockets here and there. Satin is very comfortable in the Popes chair now, as for told by Our Lady of La Salette. It's very easy to point the finger at this Pope or former Popes, but the real cause are we the people. Our Lady at Fatima said that the Pope would not consecrate Russia till enough people are praying the rosary. There are not enough graces going toward the Pope because of our lack of rosaries and sacrifices. I don't think any of us can say that we haven't contributed to the current situation. Even if were praying the rosary and doing other spiritual exercise, everyone of us, myself included, could of, and still can and should do more. We who pray regularly must pray even more and harder to make up for those who don't. It's very easy to lose something, but very hard to find it or take it back once it's lost. We lost the graces, and now the church. It will be a huge uphill climb to get it back, and it will come after many punishments and chastisements. We who are living, still have a chance. I really feel for those who are deceased, who may have lost their soul because of false and evil priests, bishops, cardinals, and the pope. True in the end, we win but only with God's grace poured out on us after more rosaries and sacrifices are being made. Pray, Pray and Pray some more. I know it's not easy to add to perhaps an already steady pray life. The world constantly distracts us and pulls us away in many different directions. We just have to pray, hope and not worry. It's in Gods hands.
You're exactly right, of course. Given the current trajectory, I don't see anything that would cause people overall to pray more and to pray the Rosary more other than a great chastisement, when alll of a sudden people will remember God again.
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... the natural disasters and nature's upheaval against mankind ONLY happens after Christians are killed.
I believe that the physical chastisements will actually be a great Mercy from God, and will be intended once and for all to put an end to the spiritual crisis. God chastises those whom He loves. When there are wars or famines or plauges, the churches fill up and people return to God.
What's our consensus on the death toll? 3% of the world's population at the time of World War II perished, which adds up to around 80 million. The same percentage today would be over 230 million. Due to the interconnectedness of the world economy, this number would have to be much higher than even this if there were a major disruption. If there were a plan to "clean up" (or plain incompetence/indifference) the third world and cut them off from Western aid for any length of time, the death toll would easily be in the billions. This isn't even getting into the possibilities from a supernatural event.
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Many prophecies say that 2/3 of the world (not just catholics) will die due to plagues, war, famines, natural disasters, civil unrest, persecutions, etc. 1/3 will survive to see Our Lady's 'period of peace' and the restoration of the Church.
Forgetting plagues, wars, famines, etc, how many people have taken the death-vax globally? Probably 50% at least.
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2/3 of the world (not just catholics) will die
Since I'm posting numbers, that would be over 5.2 billion.
1/3 will survive
And over 2.6 billion.
Considering just World War III and the weapons that may potentially be released, 2.6 billion still seems pretty generous. It brings this prophecy to mind:
Fr. Bernard Maria Clausi (19th century) - Things will reach the apex, and when everything seems lost, God will transform all things with a flick of the eye, as from morning to night… A terrible uproar will come, directly against the impious. It will be a completely new and terrible chastisement, such as the world has never seen. This chastisement will be felt throughout the entire world and will be so terrible that the survivors will imagine themselves to be the only ones living. This punishment will be instantaneous, but terrible.
My emphasis above. I like to imagine that would be far fewer than a billion, but perhaps the key is the phrase "imagine themselves to be."
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Sister Lucy December 26, 1957 (interview with Fr Fuentes)
Father, that is why my mission is not to indicate to the world the material punishments which are certain to come if the world does not pray and do penance beforehand. No! My mission is to indicate to everyone the imminent danger we are in of losing our souls for all eternity if we remain obstinate in sin.
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Yes, the death toll will be very high. Part of it will be to eliminate the recalcitrant evildoers who have a stranglehold on the world, part of it to spur those who aren't of such evil will to repentance. But the essence of Fatima was basically a warning against the evils of Vatican II, and as such this should be a consolation from Our Blessed Mother to Traditional Catholics. According to Padre Pio via Father Amorth, the Conciliar Church is a false Church under the rule of Satan.
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After browsing through the book of Enoch many times, the first chapter always makes me think of the "3 Days of Darkness" and gives me much hope and consolation. The book speaks of the "tribulation" (which is a specific time period in Scripture) and describes our times to a "t". I know that the book of Enoch is not infallible but i've not found anything weird or heretical in it. Here is chapter 1, and how it starts:
Chapter 1
The Words of the Blessing of Enoch
1 The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be living in the days of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed.
2 And Enoch, a righteous man whose eyes were opened by God took up his parable and said, "I saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come."
3 Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them: "The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling,
4 And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, even on Mount Sinai and will appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens.
5 And all shall be smitten with fear and the Watchers shall quake, and great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.
6 And the high mountains shall be shaken and the high hills shall be made low, and shall melt like wax before the flame.
7 And the earth shall be wholly rent in sunder and all that is upon the earth shall perish, and there shall be a judgement upon all.
8 But with the righteous He will make peace.
And will protect the elect,
And mercy shall be upon them.
And they shall all belong to God,
And they shall be prospered,
And they shall all be blessed.
And He will help them all,
And light shall appear unto them,
And He will make peace with them.
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones to execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."
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Since I'm posting numbers, that would be over 5.2 billion.
And over 2.6 billion.
Considering just World War III and the weapons that may potentially be released, 2.6 billion still seems pretty generous. It brings this prophecy to mind:
My emphasis above. I like to imagine that would be far fewer than a billion, but perhaps the key is the phrase "imagine themselves to be."
Sister Lucy* said that the Secret is contained in chapters 8 through 12 of the Apocalypse. Apocalypse 9:18 says:
"And by these three plagues was slain the third part of men, by the fire and by the smoke and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths."
*I'm assuming here it was the real Sr. Lucy, but I'm not sure when she's supposed to have said this.
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You're exactly right, of course. Given the current trajectory, I don't see anything that would cause people overall to pray more and to pray the Rosary more other than a great chastisement, when alll of a sudden people will remember God again.
As St. Augustine discovered millennia before me, even my own personal chastisements are too easily forgotten. This is one of my favorite prayers, I am now reminded that I should pray it daily.
Prayer of St. Augustine
Before Thy eyes, O Lord, we bring our offenses, and we compare them with the stripes we have received.
If we consider the evil we have wrought, what we suffer is little, what we deserve is great.
What we have committed is very grave, what we have suffered is very slight.
We feel the punishment of sin, yet withdraw not from the obstinacy of sinning.
Under Thy lash our inconstancy is visited, but our sinfulness is not changed.
Our suffering soul is tormented but our neck is not bent.
Our life groans under sorrow, yet mends not in deed.
If Thou spare us we correct not our ways; if Thou punish we cannot endure it.
In time of correction we confess our wrong-doing; after Thy visitation we forget that we have wept.
If Thou stretchest forth Thy hand we promise amendment; if Thou withholdest the sword we keep not our promise.
If Thou strikest we cry out for mercy; if Thou sparest we again provoke Thee to strike.
Here we are before Thee, O Lord, shameless criminals; we know that unless Thou pardon we shall deservedly perish.
Grant then, O almighty Father, without our deserving it, the pardon we ask for; Thou who madest out of nothing those who ask Thee. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.
Let us pray
O God, who by sin art offended and by penance pacified, mercifully regard the prayers of Thy suppliant people, and turn away the scourges of Thy wrath, which we deserve for our sins. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.
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"And by these three plagues was slain the third part of men, by the fire and by the smoke and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths."
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