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Offline GregorianChat

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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2010, 11:59:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: Elizabeth
    The sentence fragment 'In Portugal the dogma of the Faith

    will always be preserved, etc.'  is not a complee thought.

    What does the rest of the sentence say?  

    Until the rise of Anitchrist?

    In a few remote monasteries?

    Until a sacreligious shrine is built?

    Not that the Parlimentary ruling is something to toss off lightly, not at all.  Look what happened to Haiti right afterwards.

    The possibilites are endless.
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    2 Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

    Galatians Chapter 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a

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    « Reply #16 on: March 26, 2010, 12:03:53 PM »
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    • I quoted Elizabeth above and agree with that part. The sentence was suppose to continue into the third secret. This is yet another reason out of many that I have to conclude that the "third secret" released by John Paul II is false.
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    2 Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

    Galatians Chapter 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a

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    « Reply #17 on: March 26, 2010, 01:35:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Raoul76
    How do you explain that God sent His Mother down to Earth with an important secret which was then detained by John XXIII, as if a message straight from God's mother could be held up by bureaucratic red tape at Checkpoint Charlie?  I think if God has a real message to get through, it gets through.  


    I am sorry that nobody has helped you in your ignorance, and that I am not up to the task of convoluted lay internet theology.

    How do you explain the countless miracles of the Saints and the ingratitude of men?  How do you explain our Lord's Crucifixion and rising from the dead and people still did not believe He was the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world?

    You think if God has a real message to get through, it gets through, do you?    :cry:  Well, people on earth do not always co-operate with God's grace.  That's a simple fact.

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    « Reply #18 on: March 26, 2010, 01:40:20 PM »
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    • Hi Gregorian Chat, and welcome! :cheers:

    If I recall, it was Fr. Paul Kramer who said that the then Card. Ratzinger admitted that the secret as revealed by JP2 was false.  And sadly, Card. Ratzinger basically pooh-poohed the whole thing himself.
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    « Reply #19 on: March 30, 2010, 07:45:54 PM »
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    • I have said and will continue to say that the "dogma of the faith" refers to the Eucharist and secondarily that only some souls will be saved, not all.

    Why will this dogma be retained in Portugal? Because Portugal was one of only two nations (Poland is the other) whose Bishops Conference correctly translated the Novus Ordo words of consecration "pro multis" into the vernacular as "for many".

    I believe it is possible that the mistranslation "for all" invalidates the consecration and thus Portugal is one of the few places where the vernacular New Mass is valid and thus the "dogma of the Faith", the Eucharist, is maintained.

    In addition it reaffirms the vision Our Lady showed the children of Hell inhabited by demon and human souls.

    I think it is an admonition that the Church will move towards universal salvation (JPII's position was very close to it, so is modern ecuмenism) gutting the dogma of the faith (necessity of faith in Jesus Christ for salvation), but in Portugal it will at least continue to exist.

    My theory anyway...

    http://www.unicornhosting.com/md1076/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=173&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

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    By Rev. Fr. Peter  R. Scott

    ...This particular change in the words of consecration, the most serious in the New Mass, was not a part of the New Mass as "promulgated" (Note that properly speaking it was not really promulgated, both from the point of view of the formalities involved and from that of content) by Pope Paul VI on April 3, 1969 in his letter Missale Romanum. In the Latin text the words "for many" are retained. This change is consequently one of translation. However, it was manifestly not by accident that in all the modern European languages except Portuguese and Polish this same "error" of translation was committed. It is a manifest effort to undermine the clear teaching found in all three synoptic Gospels that the efficacity of Christ's shedding His blood is limited to many souls, and not to all souls. The reason behind this change is consequently the modernist teaching on universal salvation, according to which Christ saved all human nature by his death on the Cross, whether people know it or not.

    Since this is a change that manifestly undermines Catholic doctrine, it is equally clear that the traditional Catholic cannot accept it...


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