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They think of themselves as traditionalists
« on: December 19, 2013, 11:24:55 PM »
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    “when the Pope defines ex cathedra a doctrine concerning faith or morals, he enjoys that infallibility with which Our Lord willed the Church to be endowed. To these definitions, we must give the assent of faith.”



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    The trouble with that “internal disagreement”, however, is that there are plenty of people who think that they are loyal Catholics, but who think that that disagreement automatically entitles them to say that their conscience authorises their public opposition and disobedience. As I shall argue, not for the first time, they have a fatally defective understanding of the word “conscience”.



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    The Catholics who worry me far more, however (at least we know where we are with the Tabletistas), are those who claim to be traditionalists, but who accept no duty whatever always to “retain that Catholic spirit which respects the person and the office of the Supreme Pontiff, the successor of St Peter”.


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    Far too many Catholics, especially some self-proclaimed traditionalists, appear to take pleasure in speaking of Pope Francis with the grossest disrespect, even contempt. They are no more “traditionalist” Catholics than a member of the English Defence League is a loyal Englishman.


    [/quote] disloyal and self-willed Catholics: those who have over recent decades “rubbished the authentic magisterium, contradicted the traditional teaching of the Church, and generally treated [popes John Paul and Benedict] with disrespect.” ... They despised and disrespected Popes Benedict and John Paul (preposterously claiming they were liberals): and now they disrespect Pope Francis.
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    « Reply #1 on: December 19, 2013, 11:31:31 PM »
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    « Reply #2 on: December 19, 2013, 11:38:08 PM »
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    By William Oddie on Thursday, 10 October 2013

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    “when the Pope defines ex cathedra a doctrine concerning faith or morals, he enjoys that infallibility with which Our Lord willed the Church to be endowed. To these definitions, we must give the assent of faith.”



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    The trouble with that “internal disagreement”, however, is that there are plenty of people who think that they are loyal Catholics, but who think that that disagreement automatically entitles them to say that their conscience authorises their public opposition and disobedience. As I shall argue, not for the first time, they have a fatally defective understanding of the word “conscience”.



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    The Catholics who worry me far more, however (at least we know where we are with the Tabletistas), are those who claim to be traditionalists, but who accept no duty whatever always to “retain that Catholic spirit which respects the person and the office of the Supreme Pontiff, the successor of St Peter”.


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    Far too many Catholics, especially some self-proclaimed traditionalists, appear to take pleasure in speaking of Pope Francis with the grossest disrespect, even contempt. They are no more “traditionalist” Catholics than a member of the English Defence League is a loyal Englishman.


    disloyal and self-willed Catholics: those who have over recent decades “rubbished the authentic magisterium, contradicted the traditional teaching of the Church, and generally treated [popes John Paul and Benedict] with disrespect.” ... They despised and disrespected Popes Benedict and John Paul (preposterously claiming they were liberals): and now they disrespect Pope Francis.
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