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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: SeanJohnson on March 13, 2013, 07:58:38 PM
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I say that tongue in cheek, of course.
But....brace yourself......he is on Youtube.com celebrating Hannukah with the RSPs!
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
Will this be sufficient to open Bishop Fellay's eyes?
Just imagine if his April 15 sellout had been accepted by Rome last year what would become of the SSPX now!
Apparently the only thing this guy hates more than the TLM is, well, nothing?
:facepalm:
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I hope his election is enough to bring Bishop Fellay back to his senses.
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As someone over at IA observed, "If even Rorate Coeli has a problem with this new Pope, what are trads going to think of him?"
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I say that tongue in cheek, of course.
But....brace yourself......he is on Youtube.com celebrating Hannukah with the RSPs!
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
Will this be sufficient to open Bishop Fellay's eyes?
Just imagine if his April 15 sellout had been accepted by Rome last year what would become of the SSPX now!
Apparently the only thing this guy hates more than the TLM is, well, nothing?
:facepalm:
Where is the link?
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I say that tongue in cheek, of course.
But....brace yourself......he is on Youtube.com celebrating Hannukah with the RSPs!
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
Will this be sufficient to open Bishop Fellay's eyes?
Just imagine if his April 15 sellout had been accepted by Rome last year what would become of the SSPX now!
Apparently the only thing this guy hates more than the TLM is, well, nothing?
:facepalm:
Where is the link?
Oops:
http://cathcon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/new-...as-well-as.html
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I say that tongue in cheek, of course.
But....brace yourself......he is on Youtube.com celebrating Hannukah with the RSPs!
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
Will this be sufficient to open Bishop Fellay's eyes?
Just imagine if his April 15 sellout had been accepted by Rome last year what would become of the SSPX now!
Apparently the only thing this guy hates more than the TLM is, well, nothing?
:facepalm:
Where is the link?
Oops:
http://cathcon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/new-...as-well-as.html
Not sure why the link doesn't work.
Guess you will have to go to IA.
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Trying this:
http://cathcon.blogspot.com/2013/03/new-pope-celebrated-hanukkah-as-well-as.html
Bingo!
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I hope his election is enough to bring Bishop Fellay back to his senses.
I doubt he's able or even capable to come back to his senses.......he's already drunk from the cup of liberalism and his society is in an "abnormal" standing with the world.
For him to come back to his senses, it would take a miracle from God Almighty.
Then, the just thing for him to do in repairing this most grievous damage is to:
1) Publicly apologize to all the priests, Bishop, and faithful he wrongly persecuted/threw out/scandalized/lied/betrayed etc....
2) Remove/disband his whole "gang" of liberal thugs from all their positions
3) Resign and humbly hand over the Bishop's duties to a true soldier of Christ.
(Bishop Richard "The Lion-heart" Williamson).
That's how we'll know that Bishop Fellay has truly come back to his senses.
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I say that tongue in cheek, of course.
But....brace yourself......he is on Youtube.com celebrating Hannukah with the RSPs!
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
Will this be sufficient to open Bishop Fellay's eyes?
Just imagine if his April 15 sellout had been accepted by Rome last year what would become of the SSPX now!
Apparently the only thing this guy hates more than the TLM is, well, nothing?
:facepalm:
Where is the link?
Here is the video footage of the event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BkeaWNH2kCE
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For him to come back to his senses, it would take a miracle from God Almighty.
Then I will pray for a miracle.
I asked this question before and I did not get an answer. What does Fellay have to gain from selling out the SSPX? I do not understand his actions because I don't know what he would gain from them.
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The sins of the Argentinian church
The Catholic church was complicit in dreadful crimes in Argentina. Now it has a chance to repent
• Andrew Brown: Choice of Jorge Bergoglio as pope shows a decisive shift from Europe
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Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, the archbishop of Buenos Aires. Photograph: Natacha Pisarenko/AP
Benedict XVI gave us words of great comfort and encouragement in the message he delivered on Christmas Eve.
"God anticipates us again and again in unexpected ways," the pope said. "He does not cease to search for us, to raise us up as often as we might need. He does not abandon the lost sheep in the wilderness into which it had strayed. God does not allow himself to be confounded by our sin. Again and again he begins afresh with us".
If these words comforted and encouraged me they will surely have done the same for leaders of the church in Argentina, among many others. To the judicious and fair-minded outsider it has been clear for years that the upper reaches of the Argentinian church contained many "lost sheep in the wilderness", men who had communed and supported the unspeakably brutal western-supported military dictatorship that seized power in that country in 1976 and battened on it for years. Not only did the generals slaughter thousands unjustly, often dropping them out of aeroplanes over the River Plate and selling off their orphan children to the highest bidder, they also murdered at least two bishops and many priests. Yet even the execution of other men of the cloth did nothing to shake the support of senior clerics, including representatives of the Holy See, for the criminality of their leader General Jorge Rafael Videla and his minions.
As it happens, in the week before Christmas in the city of Córdoba Videla and some of his military and police cohorts were convicted by their country's courts of the murder of 31 people between April and October 1976, a small fraction of the killings they were responsible for. The convictions brought life sentences for some of the military. These were not to be served, as has often been the case in Argentina and neighbouring Chile, in comfy armed forces retirement homes but in common prisons. Unsurprisingly there was dancing in the city's streets when the judge announced the sentences.
What one did not hear from any senior member of the Argentinian hierarchy was any expression of regret for the church's collaboration and in these crimes. The extent of the church's complicity in the dark deeds was excellently set out by Horacio Verbitsky, one of Argentina's most notable journalists, in his book El Silencio (Silence). He recounts how the Argentinian navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship's political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate. The most shaming thing for the church is that in such circuмstances Bergoglio's name was allowed to go forward in the ballot to chose the successor of John Paul II. What scandal would not have ensued if the first pope ever to be elected from the continent of America had been revealed as an accessory to murder and false imprisonment
One would have thought that the Argentinian bishops would have seized the opportunity to call for pardon for themselves and put on sackcloth and ashes as the sentences were announced in Córdoba but that has not so far happened.
But happily Their Eminences have just been given another chance to express contrition. Next month the convicted murderer Videla will be arraigned for his part in the killing of Enrique Angelelli, bishop of the Andean diocese of La Rioja and a supporter of the cause of poorer Argentinians. He was run off the highway by a hit squad of the Videla régime and killed on 4th August 1976 shortly after Videla's putsch.
Cardinal Bergoglio has plenty of time to be measured for a suit of sackcloth – perhaps tailored in a suitable clerical grey – to be worn when the church authorities are called into the witness box by the investigating judge in the Angelelli case. Ashes will be readily available if the records of the Argentinian bishops' many disingenuous and outrightly mendacious statements about Videla and Angelelli are burned.
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For him to come back to his senses, it would take a miracle from God Almighty.
Then I will pray for a miracle.
I asked this question before and I did not get an answer. What does Fellay have to gain from selling out the SSPX? I do not understand his actions because I don't know what he would gain from them. What are his 30 pieces of silver?
He has not yet figured out that these guys are not the Church. He has also not figured out that Catholics do not negotiate with the pope. If such a circuмstance arises that Catholics in order to keep the Faith have to negotiate doctrine with the Pope, then the man is not a pope.
Catholics learn from the Pope, they do not negotiate doctrine with him.
So, to answer you question, in my opinion, Bp. Fellay and those of his type of thinking do not grasp the fundamental principles involved in this.
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Will this be sufficient to open Bishop Fellay's eyes?
No. Who says they are not open already, or that he has not been acting open-eyed all this time?
I am stunned that so many still naively think an established wolf might someday revert to his never-existent shepherd nature! It is SO common for the sheep to be more-or-less willfully deceived by those in power, whether within ecclesiastical circles, political, financial, what have you. C'est la vie!
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Well, as I posted in 2 other threads, this is a trad catholic site (and radio station) based in Argentina. They are very pro +Williamson, btw.
http://radiocristiandad.wordpress.com/
Here is their headline and article (translated) tonight:
B´Nai B´rith Argentina salutes the election of Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio as Francisco I.
"Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio is a Catholic committed to interreligious dialogue and has cemented a strong fraternal relationship with the Argentine Jєωιѕн community, in particular with B´nai B´rith that has been gratified with its cordial and sincere treatment. B´Nai B´rith made with your support the commemoration of the night of broken glass in different churches of the Diocese of Buenos Aires, including twice the Metropolitan Cathedral of the city of B Aires Mall. Also on two occasions was he who made the final thoughts after reading the liturgical text "of the death of hope", the most recent being last November 12, 2012. The celebration of the Passover in the Basilica of Saint Francis in 2009 also had his support.
We recognize at Francisco I a friend of the Jews, a man fond with dialogue and committed to the fraternal meeting.
We are confident that his papal mandate you can keep the same commitment and put into action his beliefs in the way of inter-religious dialogue."
There's a photo accompanying this that is very disturbing.
You do know B'nai B'rith's ties to Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, right? Chronicled in B'nai B'rith - The Story of a Covenant, by Edward E. Grusd.
Coupled with the photo of our new pope in a a masonic grip with Benedict = we better be on our knees every night, if we're not already.
This humble appearing pope who champions the poor and rides public transportation is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Pray for his conversion.
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For him to come back to his senses, it would take a miracle from God Almighty.
Then I will pray for a miracle.
I asked this question before and I did not get an answer. What does Fellay have to gain from selling out the SSPX? I do not understand his actions because I don't know what he would gain from them.
Apparently, he thinks the approval of his Society by the Pope is a gain.
Actually, if I were the head of a priestly fraternity and a modernist such as Benedict or Francis didn't approve of my fraternity, I'd consider it a badge of honor.
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Bergoglio blesses protestant ministers, even the old priests at our local "indult" won't do that. It is indicative that this man has no intention to worship the One, True God but rather a god of all religions.
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VATICAN II continues...........! The never ending story. :geezer:
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I believe the choice of "Franciscus" is linked to Assisi, not the great Saint Francis.
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I believe the choice of "Franciscus" is linked to Assisi, not the great Saint Francis.
I thought it was St. Francis Xavier, a Jesuit
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Francis I is no more a valid Pope than Arthur Fonzarelli, also known as the Fonz.
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Dr. Droleskey has given some extensive background information at:
http://christorchaos.com/FrancisTheTalkingApostate.html
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Good link, Peregrine.
Love this gem, right from the horses mouth:
BERGOGLIO: Staying, remaining faithful implies an outgoing. Precisely if one remains in the Lord one goes out of oneself. Paradoxically precisely because one remains, precisely if one is faithful one changes. One does not remain faithful, like the traditionalists or the fundamentalists, to the letter. Fidelity is always a change, a blossoming, a growth. The Lord brings about a change in those who are faithful to Him. That is Catholic doctrine. Saint Vincent of Lerins makes the comparison between the biologic development of the person, between the person who grows, and the Tradition which, in handing on the depositum fidei from one age to another, grows and consolidates with the passage of time:
ruh roh. Buckle up, traddies.
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Good link, Peregrine.
Love this gem, right from the horses mouth:
BERGOGLIO: Staying, remaining faithful implies an outgoing. Precisely if one remains in the Lord one goes out of oneself. Paradoxically precisely because one remains, precisely if one is faithful one changes. One does not remain faithful, like the traditionalists or the fundamentalists, to the letter. Fidelity is always a change, a blossoming, a growth. The Lord brings about a change in those who are faithful to Him. That is Catholic doctrine. Saint Vincent of Lerins makes the comparison between the biologic development of the person, between the person who grows, and the Tradition which, in handing on the depositum fidei from one age to another, grows and consolidates with the passage of time:
ruh roh. Buckle up, traddies.
having been protestant for a while comes in handy....
this is from Douay Rheims btw
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ, yesterday, and today; and the same for ever
don't see the "change" here...Thank the Lord
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You have excellent insight because of your background, Pat. I was previously quite novus ordo until about 10 years ago.. which is like being protestant! :dancing-banana:
Glad we're on the same team now.
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You have excellent insight because of your background, Pat. I was previously quite novus ordo until about 10 years ago.. which is like being protestant! :dancing-banana:
Glad we're on the same team now.
:dancing-banana: right back at ya!
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I asked this question before and I did not get an answer. What does Fellay have to gain from selling out the SSPX? I do not understand his actions because I don't know what he would gain from them.
Matto, about two years or so ago, you could almost say there was a general consensus among Society priests that "canonical recognition" was most desirable. It was said that it would benefit the apostolate and bring into Tradition all the fence sitters and other interested Catholics. One priest, at present tending towards the Resistance, shocked me then by saying that there was no other way. ( I asked him why Abp L didnt go in for this canonical recognition, and he fell silent ). It was a mystery. Why did they want to be canonical recognised by a bunch of Modernist apostates?
What would Fellay gain from his actions? He would be seen as the leader who removed the heads of his ostriches from the sand in order to live in the 21st Century. We would gain nothing from joining the Conciliarists, but Fellay, after extensive dealing with them perhaps decided that they were nice, normal people, with a very decent pope and that we were in a out of date rut and had to be pulled out.
Remember, he is prepared to sacrifice doctrine. Yes indeed, what will he gain. He's still after a deal.