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Offline John Grace

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« on: August 02, 2012, 08:32:56 AM »
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  • Unless the orders go back to the true Mass and true Catholicism they will die out and never flourish.How can they flourish if they "dance through the tulips" to borrow the phrase from Bishop Williamson. What is needed is Traditional religious sisters and nuns in Ireland

    The Good Shepherd Sisters for example had at one point about 200 sisters in one Irish city. They hardly have 200 in the entire order now.

    http://irishdominicanvocations.blogspot.ie/2012/07/there-are-no-vocations.html
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    When did you last see a picture (click to enlarge) such as the one above? It has been a long time I suspect! The sisters pictured above are Nashville Dominican sisters at a reception following their first profession of vows on July 28th last. You can get a real sense of the uncontained joy of these young women in the photograph. It certainly gives the lie to those who like to shout out loud that 'there are no vocations'!

    Some of these Nashville sisters were in Ireland recently and spoke to various groups about their life, ministry and work. The conviction and enthusiasm of their presentations was infectious. It was clear to all who met them that these sisters had a very clear message about their identity, their form of religious life and the ministry that they are involved in. While it is almost impossible to copy or replicate what some religious orders in the United States do to promote vocations - there is no valid reason why religious orders in Ireland can't make a more concerted effort to make their identity known in a practical and meaningful way.

    Religious orders of men and women in Ireland have made significant contributions down through the centuries - and continue to do so. Why are we afraid to tell the world about that? Why are we so shy about sharing our joy and enthusiasm for our form of life? Why is it that the only time you will hear a sermon in your local church about vocations will be on the fourth Sunday of Easter (Vocations Sunday) - that's if you hear one at all? Why have the bulk of the religious orders blended in with the rest of society to the point of invisibility? Why have some of the orders taken the decision not to recruit new members in the future?

    A lack of urgent response to these questions will almost certainly allow others to declare and shout aloud:  'There are no vocations!'
    Posted by Gerard Dunne OP at 5:59 PM


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    « Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 08:42:58 AM »
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  • Whilst not Traditionalist, the Dominicans in Ireland are getting vocations. Several young men and women join them each year.

    Whilst the trad community is small in Ireland vocations are necessary. Several Irish have gone to the SSPX for example.

    Benedictines are needed in Ireland and independent schools need to be set up. Ireland has to be rebuilt.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 08:53:10 AM »
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  • You're on the downslope at this point, but I think it will bottom out soon. There are signs of Ireland waking up. It will take time to repair the damage, though.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 04, 2012, 07:10:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    Whilst not Traditionalist, the Dominicans in Ireland are getting vocations. Several young men and women join them each year.

    Whilst the trad community is small in Ireland vocations are necessary. Several Irish have gone to the SSPX for example.

    Benedictines are needed in Ireland and independent schools need to be set up. Ireland has to be rebuilt.


    May their tribe increase.
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #4 on: August 04, 2012, 08:35:16 PM »
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  • Can't you see that no vocations is actually a GOOD thing? Signs of the springtime!

    The faithful are living a healthy lay secular spirituality!

    And the vocations that do happen must be really good ones. The cream of the crop! So we are eliminating the chaff!  :rolleyes:


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    « Reply #5 on: August 04, 2012, 08:39:18 PM »
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  • BTW, The Nashville Dominican sisters in that article are one of the few women's religious orders who receive a lot of vocations. They are conservative Novus Ordo.

    Therefore whenever you tell a Neo-Cath there are no vocations in the NO they point to the Dominican sisters of Nashville as proof you are wrong. Nevermind the vast majority of the rest of the orders which have no vocations. The Neo-Caths just write them off as "liberal" and irrelevant.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 05, 2012, 08:10:22 PM »
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  • I like to see traditionalist nuns, even if technically part of the novus ordo.  The nuns don't consecrate the bread and wine so validity isn't an issue, they simply consecrate themselves to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and take a vow of holiness!  


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    « Reply #7 on: August 05, 2012, 08:13:11 PM »
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  • Our Lady of Good Success said that monasteries act as spiritual air purifiers in the world essential to our existence.
    For it is written: I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be dispersed. Matthew 26:31


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    « Reply #8 on: August 10, 2012, 12:48:45 AM »
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  • There is a problem in the SSPX seminaries, because they effectively reject
    any young people who apply when they come from independent chapels. It
    happens as a kind of de-facto situation, because it's the other seminarians who
    are disrespectful of them, and the administration doesn't intervene, rather, it
    seems that the attitude might actually be rooted in the administration, but it's
    hard to prove that.

    Seeing the machinations lately in Menzingen, it makes total sense. This secretive,
    cultish behavior comes from the top. Remember, when +Williamson was sent
    packing to Argentina, the seminarians he left behind in Winona did not get
    ordained. And now, they're effectively cutting off the supply of vocations when
    they come from Traditional Mass centers that are not SSPX.

    I'd appreciate it if Matthew could comment on this because he has first-hand
    experience in this situation!

    It certainly looks like it's time for +Williamson at least, perhaps the other two as
    well, to put together a new movement so as to provide for traditional priests in
    the future. I'm sure there will be support amongst the faithful. But it might take
    some careful posturing because a lot of Catholics among the small chapels are
    oblivious to the problem in the SSPX, just as in SSPX parishes, where the news
    is suppressed so effectively, from across the Atlantic Ocean. It's hard to believe
    it would be possible, but it's happening, so I guess "possible" isn't a reasonable
    question, in light of the facts.
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