PLEASE PROCEED WITH CAUTION.  THIS IS SENSITIVE AND MORALLY HARMFUL MATERIAL

I hesitate to post this because of the nature of the discussion.  It involves the "theology" of the Body mess of JPII that just will not die.

I was sent this link in an e-mail and as I read my mouth hung agape.

I know we all know what is happening in NO and that it is rotten to the core.

But I honestly didn't think the TOB had really taken root.  Apparently I was wrong.

The NO Catholic rag, the National Catholic Register has an article about a "brilliant" website.

Bringing Sexy Back

The article is shocking, revolting, and vulgar.  

It applauds this website, 1flesh.org, because it is "reaching young people in the culture" and "talking frankly and honestly."  

One of the images on the website is of a girl with this really provocative expression on her face.  I could see how some men might be harmed by just this image alone.  

I mention it here only because I think it's important to see how fast the NO is collapsing.  

 

I wonder who is paying into this?!  Someone is teaching it, and the teaching material costs.  And let me see, is it mandatory before confirmation, marriage.  Hm?!  You know, that is business as usual! I the teaching, is there any mention of the salvation of the soul or confession to get back on track,hm!  Once a toe is in the door and these N.O. people give the impresssion that they are onto something that Christ missed, watch out!  And the Bishops say that they are in lines with church teaching!  Must be the AMERICAN church but not CHRISTS!

How God made us, is not evil.  It is our attitude that = our behavior.  It is the modern world that takes what is of God and then rips it apart.  Attitudes are taught in these NFP groups.  Some are worse than others.  Dr. Billings was very sad when he went up to a podium and told the NFP teachers, "This is not yours, it is Gods!"  He was even mad.  So, if you learn the knowledge, that is fine,but it is how it is used or abused, with attitude of the heart that we will be judged.  This is where serious reason comes in, a phrase NFP never uses.

Give me your feedback on this thought...

It's been said of the EF Mass that's it's "good on the way up" as in it should be encouraged among NO parishioners and discouraged among Trads already attending Masses of the uncompromised sort.

Would you say the same would be true for NFP? Should it be encouraged among those who would otherwise only choose artificial birth control?

I'm not talking about classes and websites and other "public" information sources. I'm talking one-on-one advice whether it be from a priest directly to a couple or from one person to another.

I remember from Catechism class that NFP removes the intrinsic evil created by contraception, the potential for remaining evil can result from how/when it's used.

this is what I am speaking of.  Just take the knowledge of mucus signs, which God has given.   Forget any opinion and stay away from the groups that have wrong thoughts.  Sympto thermal groups, in my opinion go to far and are prideful that their ways are of the best and work the best,  That is the attitude I am speaking oIt is a very bad attitude.  The knowledge is good to have for fertility signs.  Mucus that goes on could be a cyst on the ovary.  Signs of mucus and no pregnancy.  Time from ovulation to menstrual maybe signs of a tube that is not working.  Signs that God give to us are good.  Some women can only ovulate once a year and that is not abnormal, but normal for them.  When breastfeeding the signs are there to show you are fertile again.  So, take the knowledge of God and throw out the secular terminology and the pridefulness of these groups.

Give me your feedback on this thought...

It's been said of the EF Mass that's it's "good on the way up" as in it should be encouraged among NO parishioners and discouraged among Trads already attending Masses of the uncompromised sort.

Would you say the same would be true for NFP? Should it be encouraged among those who would otherwise only choose artificial birth control?

I'm not talking about classes and websites and other "public" information sources. I'm talking one-on-one advice whether it be from a priest directly to a couple or from one person to another.

I would say no on this.  As espoused by HH Pius XII, NFP is only licit in those situations where there is sufficiently grave reason that it be employed.  Now, "sufficiently grave reason" is a fairly loose term, and I've never seen a concrete list as to what qualifies.  Myself, I have always counted only one reason of truly sufficient gravity to retard the fecundity of the marital act and that is if, though conception is possible, it is reasonably certain that the women will not be able to nurture the child to term (for instance because of medical conditions such as endometriosis) and as a result one or more children will depart this world eternally deprived of Beatific Vision.

Since the example you game comes not from a sufficiently grave reason or licit reason, but simply to see one's will done contrary to God's intended purpose of the conjugal act, while seeking to avoid the just penalty for contraception, the intention of the act is still willfully and wholly bent toward rebellion against God and natural law.  Therefore, I'd argue that it's merely a riskier form of contraception.

The desire to proselytize is just, but perverting an example God's mercy as a means of abetting those that have not humbled themselves sufficiently to truly desire to conform God's law, simply to make it more palatable is a terrible injustice to the individual in question and to Christian society as a whole.

How does no sex when the wife is pregnant make the sarcastic list?