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« on: September 11, 2012, 12:34:27 PM »
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  • The following sermon:

    2338   Bishop Mark Pivarunas:   “Current Events Part I”   (73 Minutes)

    Is found undter "What's New" #2338 in:

    http://traditionalcatholicsermons.org/index_files/WhatsNew.htm

    In it he explains how the Church always has a means to elect a new Pope even if there are no Cardinals.  He says the next logical question is why don't we elect a Pope.  He said he would answer that in the Q & A session.  But the sermon cuts off before he gets to it.  Does anyone know the answer?
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #1 on: October 11, 2012, 07:53:44 PM »
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  • I wrote Lucian Pulvermacher aka Pope Pius XIII in the Summer of 2006 and his response answered this question. My 71+ page self-published nonprofit educational free for download e-book designed to answer every single depressing problem faced by humanity is hosted at: http://gtg154i.livejournal.com
    (This is not a blog, this is where I post filehosting URLs for downloading my writings.)

    It contains this unaltered email response among with other writings (such as the entire Bible dunked into 3 pages with my solutions provided)

    Before anyone attempts any ad hominem attacks, I'm already aware of the DSM-IV-TR Delusional Grandiose Type diagnosis criteria and Revelations Ch 13 and very, very familiar with psychology.

    I like Catholicism, it is one of my favorite systems. I am Jєωιѕн, Anti-Christian, Christian, Buddhist, and Taoist. (My belief is that I am approximately 50.01% Christian with buddhism and taosim adding to that due to religious pluralism/ecuмenism, the other 49.99% can be explained as a Anti-Christian tax collector that takes commands from the 50.01% Christian half when necessary.)

    I don't claim to be Catholic but I will attempt to answer your question by pasting Pope Pius XIII's unaltered email response, the summary is that everyone is responsible for their own actions(There are two priests available, Fr. Lyons, and we are our own priests, we are our own Popes is the explanation. If you do something wrong, it is your personal responsibility to seek forgiveness.):
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    20060710FromPopePiusXIIIPt3MarginsPrintable.doc Pope Pius XIII aka Lucian Pulvermacher runs http://truecatholic.org/ (2006)
    10/1/2012 note: He passed away in 2009 after being a traditionalist Roman Catholic priest for 63 years. its now http://truecatholic.us
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucian_Pulvermacher In my opinion, he was a good person and this unaltered email had good logic with interesting views. I like Catholicism and the official and the "other groups" of Catholic Church but I don't claim to be Catholic, just part of me is a Christian. (50.01%~)

    Date:  Mon, 10 Jul 2006 15:48:05 -0700
    From:  javascript:open_compose_win('popup=1&to=Pius+XIII+<stpeter@spocom.com>&cc=&bcc=&msg=&subject=&thismailbox=INBOX');
    To:  javascript:open_compose_win('popup=1&to=gtg154i@mail.gatech.edu&cc=&bcc=&msg=&subject=&thismailbox=INBOX');
    Subject:  Re: Solutions to God's puzzles.
    Part(s):   2 Act of Perfect ContritionSMALL.doc application/msword 33.53 KB  
     3 CaritasPapalOffice#61-Rev3.doc application/msword 67.06 KB  
     
    Dear Michael Jon-han Hawang,

        We answer your first letter with the material in attachments above.  If
    you see that We are the Pope of  God's Church and you want to become a
    Catholic write again.

        Pius, pp. XIII
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: <gtg154i@mail.gatech.edu>
    To: <stpeter@spocom.com>
    Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:54 AM
    Subject: Solutions to God's puzzles.

    > " Hi Important Church Authority Figure. I believe that I have solutions
    > to God's puzzles of the meaning of life(the meaning of life is choice, a
    > game
    > beween God and the Devil which eventually the 2nd Coming Of a Savior turns
    > 100%
    > believers into clones of Jesus (able to perform amazing feats to the
    > limits of
    > science that are amazing to the casual observer) through repeated
    > sacrifice for
    > the greater good), the secret to prolonged life (delaying cancer through
    > hard
    > work of mastering Tai Chi Chuan with internal organ training), and the
    > secret
    > to world peace (arming children of today with mixed martial arts and then
    > teaching reasons to kill, reasons not to kill). The Bible works really
    > well
    > with Code Of The Samurai(knights who only existed to serve a lord, allows
    > a
    > person to conquer fear of death by following codes of conduct that prevent
    > arguing over money, rank, and fame), Bruce Lee's mixed martial arts
    > fighting
    > style, and Tai Chi Chuan (the strongest no rules martial art which has
    > breathing techniques that strengthens the heart, improves internal organs,
    > and
    > delays cancer since in chinese medicine, cancer is only when cells fail so
    > it
    > is not a disease process).
    > [unnecessary info removed, outdated links removed]



          ACT OF PERFECT
             CONTRITION
         
    Father, Son and Holy Ghost, assist me with Thy grace.  Oh my God I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of heaven and fear the pains of hell, but most of all because they offend Thee my God Who art infinitely good in Thyself and deserving of all my love which I here and now  give to Thee with all my heart.  I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance and to amend my life. Amen.      
    By Pope Pius XIII, 4/15/2006
    Necessary Membership
    IN RE OR IN VOTO
    (In Reality or in Desire)
    In  God’s Church
    For Eternal Salvation

       The burden of this letter is to explain the meaning of the dogma: “Membership in the Church is necessary for all men for salvation.” (De fide.) For the sake of those who want to check out this material they are to obtain (purchase) a copy of the book entitled Fundamentals of CATHOLIC DOGMA by Ludwig Ott, with an imprimatur dated October 7, 1954, from TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., P.O. Box 424, Rockford, IL 61105 @$27.50 plus $6.00 postage.  
       In the title of this letter there are two words in Latin, in re or in voto.  Their meaning in Latin is very clear.  The translation into English is: in reality or in desire.   Take the example of a driver in a parking lot.  He gets into his car, and he drives away.  That is in reality, for he really has his own car. If however, by mistake he gets into what seems to be his own car, and it is not his own car, he is in his own car by desire.   Obviously, if he does not correct that mistake (desire – wanting to have his own car) he will be in trouble with the owner and the law.  In both these cases there is no ill will or sin.  Ill will would be present if he took a car that he knew was not his own.
       Before We develop the problem of being in God’s Church in reality or by desire We shall explain the meaning and implications of the dogma of the catholic Faith, as given above: “Membership in the Church is necessary for all men for salvation.” (De fide)  
       We quote from Ott (page 312): “In the Caput Firmiter, the Fourth Latern Council (1215) declared: ‘The universal Church of the faithful is one outside of which none is saved’ (extra quam nullus omino salvatur), D 430 (D always meaning Denzinger Incredian).”  We go to a quotation from Pope Pius IX.  “As against modern religious indifferentism, Pius IX declared: ‘By Faith it is to be firmly held that outside the Apostolic Roman Church none can achieve salvation.  This is the only ark of salvation.  He who does not enter into it, will perish in the flood.  Nevertheless equally certainly it is to be held that those who suffer from invincible ignorance of the true religion, are not for this reason guilty in the eyes of the Lord’ (D 1647).  The last proposition holds out the possibility that people who in point of fact (actu) do not belong to the Church can achieve salvation.  Cf. D 1677; 796 (votum baptismi).
       Ludwig Ott develops a very important paragraph on the above teachings.  He writes: “The necessity for belonging to the Church is not merely a necessity of precept (necessitas praecepti), but also a necessity of means (nec. Medii), as the comparison with the Ark, the means of salvation from biblical flood, plainly shows.  The necessity of means is, however, not an absolute necessity, but a hypothetical one. In special circuмstances, namely, in the case of invincible ignorance or of incapability, actual membership in the Church can be replaced by the desire (votum) for the same.  This need not be expressly (explicite) present, but can also be included in the moral readiness faithfully to fulfill the will of God (votum implicitum).  In this manner also those who are in fact outside the Catholic Church can achieve salvation.”
       Two things must be kept in mind.  Just because one is not evil before God, because he is invincibly ignorant of God’s command to be in His Church or which Church is God’s Church does not mean that he has sanctifying grace.  Being free from a violation of God’s law because one does not know the law, or he just cannot learn the law, means that he has no sin in that matter.  However, if he has a mortal sin (known or unknown) he will never get out of it without the act of perfect contrition or perfect love.  From the knowledge of human nature that We have from long experience, We judge that very few people without the assistance of the Church ever learn what is necessary in order to make the act of perfect contrition with the assistance of actual grace.  To start with, they do not know that they need sanctifying grace to get to heaven, and if they do know that they need sanctifying grace to get to heaven they do not know how to make that act of perfect contrition.
       Thus you see, a person may be free from a violation of the command of God to be in His Church when he does not know that commandment.  However, if he does not obtain the supernatural life of the soul, sanctifying grace, he will not get into heaven.
       For the sake of those who may have a concern about the above statement We give you the elements that go into committing a mortal sin.  1) The violation of God’s law must be a serious violation, that is, important matter. 2) The violation must be with full knowledge of the violation.  Finally, 3) there must be full consent of the will.   All three of these elements must be united in order to incur a mortal sin.
       Every unbaptized infant until the age of reason is in original sin (leaving him without sanctifying grace).  If he dies as an infant he will have no offence which puts him in violation of God’s command to be in His Church.  However, since he is without sanctifying grace he will go to the place in hell call “limbo of the infants.”  He will suffer no pain in the limbo of the infants, but he will suffer the unfulfilled desire for the supernatural happiness in heaven for all eternity.
       When a person gains the age of reason, (even before he commits even a venial sin), in some way God places before him a test that will require him to cooperate with grace, in making the act of perfect love, whereby he gains sanctifying grace.   Or alternatively, he refuses to cooperate with actual grace, and he commits a mortal sin of rebellion against God, which places him in the state of mortal sin.  Hence, all men from the age of reason, until the moment of death, are either in sanctifying grace or in mortal sin.  
       In order to obtain sanctifying grace, in order to live in sanctifying grace and in order recover sanctifying grace if lost by mortal sin, Our Lord, Jesus Christ, gave us the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
       Catholic parents obey this law by having their children baptized very shortly after birth.  It is at baptism that the infant receives sanctifying grace; he is made a member of God’s one and only Church and he receives an indelible character on his soul.  Obviously if he dies, thus sanctified, he goes immediately to heaven.     Indeed, it is a great pity that any child should be born of parents who are not Catholics.  Those children go through their infancy with the constant liability, if they die, that they will not go to heaven but to the limbo of the infants.  Since the infant has no guilt of personal sin, one may ask, why is he lost for all eternity?  Why does he lose heaven while the child with the baptism of water goes to heaven?  It is because every child of Adam inherits Adam’s sin.  If Adam had obeyed God and kept away from the forbidden fruit, all the children of the human race would have been born possessing sanctifying grace.   They would have had that by reason of inheritance, just as after Adam’s sin all men inherit that sin.  We cannot change reality.  What We can do is to use the means of grace as they are given to us by Jesus Christ and dispense them to mankind in His one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
       Some readers of this newsletter may want to become members of the Church and thus save their immortal souls.  For an adult to enter the Church two things must be observed.  First of all, he must learn the basic doctrines of the Church according to his ability, and he must be living a life that is in conformity with God’s laws.  
       For example, a freemason who works for the destruction of the Church and souls cannot become a Catholic unless he definitely departs from the freemasons.  He must sever all ties with that satanic, God-hating organization.  Another example would be a man or woman who is living in an invalid marriage.  A man who marries another man’s wife while her husband is still alive is living in adultery.  He cannot enter the Church until he breaks up that sinful way of life.  Once more, only those who die in sanctifying grace can get to heaven, and only those who live in conformity with God’s laws can enter the Church. Indeed, the world today displays a terrible family of human beings.  We are reminded of a Catholic mother who had a wayward son.  Once in a while that son brought home a girl friend that he said he was interested in marrying.   During the course of conversations the good mother learned that all the girls that her wayward son brought home for observation were un-wed mothers or girls that have been married and were divorcees.   The mother asked her son just why he kept company with such terrible persons.  Here is the response that was given by the wayward son:  “Ma, that is all that is out there!”
       Before the wayward son could come back into the Church he would have to get into an honest way of life.  Getting drunk and being loaded down with illicit sex would have to be the thing of the past.  Obviously, it is understood that even the good Catholics some times fall into sins, but that is not their way of life.  They go to confession and amend their lives, and they struggle to be in sanctifying grace always and especially at the moment of death.
       Each person who enters the Church must be received into the Church by a person deputed to do so.  That person is generally the pastor of the parish where they live or some roving missionary in a mission land.  No one can put himself into the Church.  Once in a while We come upon persons who live good lives, and they seem to think just being a friend of Us is sufficient to get to heaven.   Our Lord said that the shepherd knows his sheep and the sheep know their shepherd.   As a boy We had to shepherd sheep on Our father’s farm.  Sheep are easily lost, so the shepherd must always keep track of all his sheep.  The sheep know that, and when a sheep loses his way, or gets away from the flock he begins to look for the other sheep, and he bleats in anxiety.     By the providence of God We learned more about shepherding sheep in catechism class.  The professor pointed out that in the Holy Land the shepherds put their sheep in large holding areas with other sheep for the night and holidays.  When the shepherd determines to lead his sheep to pasture and water he goes into that sheep holding area and calls his sheep by name.  When he has all of them he leaves the holding area, and he leads his sheep to the pasture.  We visited the Holy Land, and We remember that We saw a shepherd leading his sheep, just as was explained in class.  He walked with a long staff just as a bishop walks with a staff with a curve on the top.   He is so confident that his sheep know him and will follow him that he never even looks around to see if his sheep are following him.  
       It is marvelous to think that God created animal instincts to function as the Catholic faith functions in loyal Catholics.   The top shepherd in the Church is the Pope.  His diocesan bishops are his representatives over the whole world.  Finally, the local pastors  are below the bishop, and the faithful being subject to the local parish priest are subject to  the diocesan bishop who in turn is subject to the Pope, who is the Vicar of Christ.

    BASIC SALVATION
    &
    PLACE IN HEAVEN
       We remember the example on salvation that was given to us at the annual retreat.  It goes as follows:  Two men, neighbors, died, and fortunately both of them they went to heaven.  Both of them were basking in the joys of heaven when all at once the neighbors met.  One had been wealthy, so his earthly home was large and luxurious.  The other man was poor, so his earthly home was more like a dog house than a home. The rich man seeing that his place in heaven was that of a beggar he went to God and explained his concern.  He told God that on earth he had a large and luxurious home, and at the same time his poor neighbor lived in a tiny shack.  Now, for all eternity God set it up that he would be in a tiny shack, and the poor man who had lived in a tiny shack on earth would live in a large luxurious home.  That condition would never change for all eternity.  
       While responding to the complaint of the rich man God told him the following.  Here in heaven we build homes for eternity with the materials that are sent ahead from earth.  While the poor man was in his misery on earth he sent many graces and merits for his future holy life to heaven.   While the poor man was doing that, you enjoyed your riches, and you forgot to send graces and merits to heaven for the construction your home here, for all eternity.    
       The rich man living as a beggar in heaven asked God if he could assemble grace and merits in heaven in order to build for himself a high class home in heaven.  He did not want to be content with a low place in heaven for all eternity.
       God told the man that there was no possible way for him to improve his living conditions in heaven. Even after a hundred million years his position would not change one iota. That state was to continue for all eternity.
       The above considerations do two things.  First of all they require that one be always in the state of sanctifying grace, for without it, even in the lowest degree, no one will ever enter heaven.  No matter how sinless one lives if he is without sanctifying grace at the moment of death he is sure to go to hell where he must suffer for all eternity.  He can never change his condition, and there is no possibility of ѕυιcιdє.   God will inflict hell for all eternity for even one non-forgiven mortal sin on the soul at the moment of death.  If there are many moral sins on the soul at death the degree of punishment in hell will be determined once and for all, and it will never be changed for all eternity.  God rewards good and punishes evil in all justice.   There are no exceptions, so one and all should get ready for God’s just sentence that will be given at the exact instant of death.
       Those who do what is basic for eternal salvation, that is, live in sanctifying grace will be rewarded according to the amount of sanctifying grace and the amount of merit that they have at the moment of death.    
       The example that We gave above comes to mind.  The poor man who sent many building materials from earth to heaven had a luxurious home, while the man who sent very little building materials had a low grade of living.
       We encourage all of you to look upon your life now as a preparation for the next life.  There is nothing that you can do in eternity to change that.  Every one of us is either on the road to heaven or on the road to hell – right now, yes, right here and now, if you please.
       There is a saying that goes as follows: tell me what you read, and I will tell you what you are.  While We wait for Our computer to warm up We grab some spiritual book in order to make good use of those moments of waiting. For quite some time already, We are reading from the book entitled PRAYER – THE KEY TO SALVATION by Father Michael Mueller. It is published and sold by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc,  P.O. Box 424, Rockford, IL 61105. The current catalog lists its price as being $9.00, but now on sale for $6.00.  The present postage in the USA is $3.00.
       We shall quote from page 150.  “By this grace of adoption, the soul is most intimately united to the Holy Ghost, and thereby elevated far above herself, and as it were, deified.  By thus communicating Himself, God raises the just man (one possessing sanctifying grace), as it were to the level with Himself, transforming him into Himself, thus making him, as it were, Divine.  Love enraptures the loving soul, raises her above her, unites her to the Beloved, and transforms her into Him, so that being, as it were, embodied in Him, she lives, feels, and rejoices in Him alone.”
       From the above quotation it is clear that when the Holy Ghost gives us His gifts He also gives us Himself.   We go to the Second Epistle of St. Paul to the Corinthians, chapter 3, verses 16 & 17: “Know you not that you are the temple of God and that the spirit of God dwelleth in you? But if any man violate the temple of God, him shall God destroy.  For the temple of God is holy, which you are.” When one possess sanctifying grace he does not possess it merely as a water pail possess water into it, but one becomes like a cloth that absorbs the water that comes in contact with it. St. Paul made that clear with his words given just above, “For the temple of God is holy, which you are.”
    PRACTICAL ISSUE
    IN FINDING THE
    POPE
       In order to find the Pope in this world one must have divine faith.  The papacy is hidden in the person of the Pope much like the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ is in the Blessed Eucharist.  The words of consecration in the Mass make the Eucharist.  A true papal election makes the Pope.
       For information on Our papal election which took place in 1998 see http://www.truecatholic.org/.  You may say there were many such papal elections at that time.    You may say that many men claimed to be “priests,” and only one of the many really had valid Holy Orders.  Then only the Eucharist of the true priest would be true.
       Many tell Us that We cannot prove that We are the Pope.  To that We say: Our Lord Jesus Christ could not prove to the general public on Good Friday that He was God.  Only those with divine faith in Him, as for example, His Blessed Mother, St. John and a few pious persons could “see” His divinity through the eyes of faith.  Take history!  Think of the millions of people on earth who could not see the papacy in Pope Pius XII.   Dear readers, consider this.  The world is divided into two camps.  One camp has divine faith and the other camp lacks divine faith.   In which camp are you functioning?  We beg you to pray for divine faith.  Ask God to enlighten you to know the Pope on earth today.  Without faith it is impossible to please God as St. Paul states in Hebrews 11, 6.
       You are required by God to be in His Church in order to get to heaven, so do your part lest you must suffer in hell forever for your negligence or possible malice.
    o-o-o-o-o-o-o
       In these days when only two priests, (Ourselves) and Fr. Lyons, are available, forgiveness for mortal sins can be obtained by Catholics in re or in voto with the correct act of perfect contrition before confession is possible.  It is: Father, Son and Holy Ghost, assist me with Thy grace. Oh my God I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of heaven and fear the pains of hell, but most of all because they offend Thee my God Who art infinitely good in Thyself and deserving of all my love which I here and now give to Thee with all my heart.  I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance and to amend my life.  Amen
    Pius, pp. XIII
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    « Reply #2 on: October 11, 2012, 10:23:35 PM »
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  • Saitei,

    You, my good man, are insane. Nuts. Bonkers.

    Your cheese has completely slid all the way off your cracker.

    That is all.
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    « Reply #3 on: October 11, 2012, 11:31:14 PM »
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  • I just tried to read what Saitei wrote and now I have a headache... like a profoundly painful, throbbing headache... I-can-actually-hear-the-music-of-the-Spheres, cinematic, Soylent-Green-aftertaste sort of headache... like every molecule is on acid or something...

    Wow, that was... that was... that was.

    Now I know how my professors felt when they were reading my thesis. I think I need to write apology letters, even if it was five years ago...

    I think I just decided to not have my unauthorized autobiography published... I don't want others to have these headaches...



    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #4 on: October 12, 2012, 05:21:05 AM »
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  • Like I said in my previous post,
    "Before anyone attempts any ad hominem attacks, I'm already aware of the DSM-IV-TR Delusional Grandiose Type diagnosis criteria and Revelations Ch 13 and very, very familiar with psychology."
    From the wikipedia page, "An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it.[1] Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy,[2][3][4] more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance."

    My writings are still in the revision process and being edited. If you have specific thoughts from proofreading, any of you can send me a forum private message. (Although I'm not considered a certified forum member so I won't be able to respond yet.)

    You guys are entitled to your opinions and it's not my place to attempt to change your individual Catholic beliefs since everyone has their own ideal unique connection with God explanation. I don't attempt to convert anyone or sell anything so I'm hoping I haven't crossed any lines as far as the rules for this forum goes.

    I might be thought of as some "crazy outsider" already. If I had to get technical, I consider myself a Catholic and reject Anti-Christ in my own way, but my ideal opinion of Catholicism may not match a reader's ideal opinion of Catholicism.

    If I did cross lines, the forum moderators have every right to delete every single one of my posts and leave it at that.

    I was just trying to answer this question asked by this Lord of Truth fellow, I'd be curious how he'd react to my initial post and my writings. :P

    Insanity is technically a legal term and my score on the GAF scale is high enough to not be considered mentally ill before any of you want to talk psychology. :D

       "The best way to defeat an enemy is to think like them." -Sun Tzu
       "To deceive your enemies you first have to deceive your ally." -Sun Tzu


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    « Reply #5 on: October 16, 2012, 02:50:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: Saitei
    Like I said in my previous post,
    "Before anyone attempts any ad hominem attacks, I'm already aware of the DSM-IV-TR Delusional Grandiose Type diagnosis criteria and Revelations Ch 13 and very, very familiar with psychology."
    From the wikipedia page, "An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it.[1] Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy,[2][3][4] more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance."

    My writings are still in the revision process and being edited. If you have specific thoughts from proofreading, any of you can send me a forum private message. (Although I'm not considered a certified forum member so I won't be able to respond yet.)

    You guys are entitled to your opinions and it's not my place to attempt to change your individual Catholic beliefs since everyone has their own ideal unique connection with God explanation. I don't attempt to convert anyone or sell anything so I'm hoping I haven't crossed any lines as far as the rules for this forum goes.

    I might be thought of as some "crazy outsider" already. If I had to get technical, I consider myself a Catholic and reject Anti-Christ in my own way, but my ideal opinion of Catholicism may not match a reader's ideal opinion of Catholicism.

    If I did cross lines, the forum moderators have every right to delete every single one of my posts and leave it at that.

    I was just trying to answer this question asked by this Lord of Truth fellow, I'd be curious how he'd react to my initial post and my writings. :P

    Insanity is technically a legal term and my score on the GAF scale is high enough to not be considered mentally ill before any of you want to talk psychology. :D

       "The best way to defeat an enemy is to think like them." -Sun Tzu
       "To deceive your enemies you first have to deceive your ally." -Sun Tzu


    I just realized you want to know how I react to your initial post.  I have not read your writings.  I can tell you that I was not one of the 6 who gave you a thumbs down.

    You also responded charitibly to those who complained about what you wrote; though I do not think they were uncharitable in their responses.  

    I admire your attempt at a response.  On a certain level I guess you could say that I'm impressed.  I also wonder a bit.  I also lack the mental capacity to assimulate it all.  If you are of good will there is hope.  If you are not doing so already you might want to get a green scapular and keep in your house somewhere and also get enrolled in a brown scapular and pray the rosary daily.  Love God above all and others as yourself.  

    Say,

    "Dear sweet Mary, Mother of God most pure, and my most holy Guardian Angel please help me to know the truth and then to act in accordance with that Truth.  I ask this through Christ our Lord Who lives and reigns with God the Father in the unity of the Holy Ghost, God, forever and ever.  Amen."    

    The Athanasian Creed

    WHOSOEVER willeth to be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith.Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish eternally.Now the Catholic faith is this, that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in unity.Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance.For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost.But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is one, the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal.Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Ghost.The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Ghost uncreated.The Father infinite, the Son infinite, and the Holy Ghost infinite.The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Ghost eternal.And yet they are not three eternals, but one eternal.As also they are not three uncreated, nor three infinites, but one uncreated, and one infinite.So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Ghost almighty.And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.So the Father is God, the Son God, and the Holy Ghost God.And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.So the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Ghost Lord.And yet they are not three Lords, but one Lord.For, like as we are compelled by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord,so are we forbidden by the Catholic religion to say, there be three Gods or three Lords.The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten.The Son is of the Father alone: not made, nor created, but begotten.The Holy Ghost is of the Father, and the Son: not made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.So there is One Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts.And in this Trinity is nothing afore or after, nothing is greater or less; but the whole three Persons are co-eternal together, and co-equal.So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in unity is to be worshipped.He therefore that willeth to be safe, let him thus think of the Trinity.But it is necessary to eternal salvation, that he also believe faithfully the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.The right faith therefore is, that we believe and confess, that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds: and Man, of the substance of his mother, born in the world.Perfect God, perfect man, of a reasoning soul and human flesh subsisting.Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, inferior to the Father as touching his manhood.Who, although he be God and Man, yet he is not two, but one Christ.One, however, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of the manhood into God.One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of Person.For as the reasoning soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ.Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead.He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God almighty, from whence he shall come to judge the living and the dead.At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies, and shall give account for their own works.And they that have done good shall go into life eternal, but they that have done evil into eternal fire.This is the Catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be safe.

    Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost.

    As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.

    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church