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Offline Lover of Truth

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Theological Position
« on: February 20, 2010, 07:48:53 PM »
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #1 on: February 21, 2010, 01:24:06 PM »
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    • I agree with the position that even an extended vacancy of the Holy See does not compromise the Church's indefectibility.  And Cajetan also wrote that if all the cardinals were killed in a war, for instance, the Church could determine another means to elect a Pope, since the cardinalate is not of divine institution.  So these "arguments"--which Bishop Williamson also raises in the thread started by Vladimir--are in fact incredibly unconvincing.

    What's more contrary to the Church's indefectibility, the vacancy of the Holy See or the Church's having lead everyone into error and having promulgated a harmful rite of Mass?

    Yet I have also shown that the either-or boolean (false dichotomy or dilemma) simple syllogism of the sedevacantists is also an oversimplification.

    Papa Dubius.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 21, 2010, 01:36:51 PM »
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    • I have now obtained my 2nd ignore--which would be interesting if one of them happens to be an SSPX-type, another a sedevacantist.

    I'm not interested in justifying either side.  And it matters not to me if I make one side or the other uncomfortable.  I wish to go only where the truth (by the grace of God) leads.

    I have issues with the sedevacantists who see "heresy" in every other statement made by the V2 popes, oversimplify the problem, depose popes based on their own judgment rather than deferring to the Church's authority, and excommunicate people left and right.

    I have issues with the SSPX types who claim that legitimate Church authority can devastate the Church through its official teaching and discipline (liturgy), who sift the magisterium based on their own judgment, demand obedience while themselves being in open disobedience, and refuse to admit that sedevacantism might even be hypothetically possible.

    So I find myself guided in my position by a rejection of these extremes.  What could be worse than to compromise our sensus Catholicus in a vain attempt to SOLVE this problem?  Better that we leave it unsolved than compromise our principles and sense of faith.
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