The recent white smoke announcing  the election of Francis reminded me of 1958 and the infamous  white smoke and announcement that a pope had been elected, which was followed by black smoke and a retraction. That was on October 26, 1958. I was 12 years old at the time, and I actually remember it.

It was the conclave where the reign of the "conciliar popes" began (Angelo Roncalli was elected pope and took the name John XXIII), and when a few people, usually dismissed as mentally defective nut jobs, believe that Giuseppe Cardinal Siri of Genoa was elected pope and then secretly forced to resign under duress, most likely due to nuclear blackmail. Every few years I start wondering about it, and I've just had another flare-up after the watching the white smoke and the election of Francis.

While there's no proof for the scenario that I'm aware of, I think there's a real possibility it's true, despite the scam artists who've tried to profit from it. There are problems with the theory, of course, and it's hard to believe that all the world's cardinals would have kept quiet about it, despite the vow of secrecy -- unless Siri just refused to accept the seat without saying why, perhaps implying that it was for prudential reasons -- which is probably what he would have done if it had actually happened. Sigh.

I don't know why I don't reject the idea out of hand, except that what's happened to the Church is so crazy that it seems to leave the door open for all manner of possibilities. Or maybe I'm just nuts.

 

Even if Siri was elected, he denied his own election, submitted to John XXIII, Paul VI, JPI, and JPII, and publicly offered the Novus Ordo.

Some papacy.

Pope Gregory was legally elected. This makes him true Pope until a future Council( with the Placet of a Real Pope) tells us otherwise.

Roncalli was Not legally elected.  :judge:

The recent white smoke announcing  the election of Francis reminded me of 1958 and the infamous  white smoke and announcement that a pope had been elected, which was followed by black smoke and a retraction. That was on October 26, 1958. I was 12 years old at the time, and I actually remember it.

2 years ago I got hold of footage from the 1958 conclave which is up on youtube, when I showed it to my parents they both remembered it. Several other people have contacted me saying they remember it, one said his Italian grandfather told him that the Church was usurped in 1958 when the white smoke went up and then they said it was a mistake.

It was the conclave where the reign of the "conciliar popes" began (Angelo Roncalli was elected pope and took the name John XXIII), and when a few people, usually dismissed as mentally defective nut jobs, believe that Giuseppe Cardinal Siri of Genoa was elected pope and then secretly forced to resign under duress, most likely due to nuclear blackmail. Every few years I start wondering about it, and I've just had another flare-up after the watching the white smoke and the election of Francis.

Yes, I experienced the same thing, I went back and forth on the issue for a long time.  i've heard other people, particularly one on fisheaters who had read about it and said they just couldn't help but think it was true, and that's how I felt when I first heard about it, I was like of course that's what happened, there's no way they could have just elected a heretic. And that's when it all started, the minute Roncalli got into power the revolution started right away.

While there's no proof for the scenario that I'm aware of, I think there's a real possibility it's true, despite the scam artists who've tried to profit from it. There are problems with the theory, of course, and it's hard to believe that all the world's cardinals would have kept quiet about it, despite the vow of secrecy -- unless Siri just refused to accept the seat without saying why, perhaps implying that it was for prudential reasons -- which is probably what he would have done if it had actually happened. Sigh.

I don't know why I don't reject the idea out of hand, except that what's happened to the Church is so crazy that it seems to leave the door open for all manner of possibilities. Or maybe I'm just nuts.

Right, it would have been so much easier if Siri made a claim to the throne  like Innocent II did. However there is enough circuмstantial evidence to warrant an investigation plus there is quite a bit of testimony that hasn't been made public so yeah, I don't think anyone is nuts who thinks devil worshipping masons would come up with a diabolical plan of this nature.

The white smoke is more easily explained by human error.  The straw was probably not wet enough.  This is more believable than a conspiracy theory with no evidence.  That fact that no cardinals ever mentioned any scandalous actions indicates no pope was selected.  Our Lord and Saviour wouldn't allow the authority of the one true Church to be stolen like that with all the holy cardinals there.  That is just too far fetched to believe without concrete proof.

I would like to know if there is evidence regarding the 1958 double showing of white smoke.

Are you saying that you accept the questions of someone who claims it didn't
happen?  If so, who is it who questions it?

You know, there are those who claim that there is no evidence of Our Lord's
resurrection.  There are those who claim that the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima
in 1917 didn't happen.  There are those who claim that the Apollo spacecraft
never went to the moon.  Do you accept their questions?  

Here...to stir the pot...  I'd like to hear the thoughts of others on this...

http://www.thepopeinred.com/hints.htm

and the thoughts of Fr. Peter Khoat Van Tran here...

http://www.thepopeinred.com/1988.htm

Father still hold that his account is true.

The white smoke is more easily explained by human error.  The straw was probably not wet enough.  This is more believable than a conspiracy theory with no evidence.  That fact that no cardinals ever mentioned any scandalous actions indicates no pope was selected.  Our Lord and Saviour wouldn't allow the authority of the one true Church to be stolen like that with all the holy cardinals there.  That is just too far fetched to believe without concrete proof.

It is reported and filmed that the smoke from Cardianl Siri's election poured out of the chimmney for 5 minutes.  A mistake? Highly unlikely.

Did Cardinal Siri accept the papacy and take the name Gregory ?
It would seem so.

Stepping aside under duress, after recieving a ʝʊdɛօ-masonic threat of nuking the Vatican does not represent a valid resignation.

Making Siri the pope was likely what the ʝʊdɛօ-freemasons intended to do.  
They deposed a Canonically elected pope and kept him under house arrest.

In the meantime, their man Roncalli , took the name of anti-pope John XXIII, stepped forward.  It was said by a Cardinal at the conclave that Roncalli's papacy was not made by the Holy Ghost.



Anti-pope Pope John XXIII (1410 ~ 1415)