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Offline steelcross

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« on: February 13, 2015, 09:10:51 PM »
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  • I'm not sure how many have seen Michael Voris from church militant.TV? He pretty much points out the errors of the church and so forth. I agree with most of what he says, however, in one of his recent shows Mic'd Up, I was disappointed on how he and his staff said some things against SSPX. He seems to have misinformation and reported that SSPX is on schism. I plan to write to him on this matter. In order for one to be in schism, a crime against the church must be evident, and there is no such thing with SSPX. I agree that there may have been some who left and take things too far, but SSPX does not wish to cut ties with Rome. Please look at this episode and see for yourselves. The website is church militant.TV. God love you.

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    « Reply #1 on: February 13, 2015, 10:32:31 PM »
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  • Michael Voris and Vortex is well-known in these parts. Just do a search. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 13, 2015, 10:46:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    Michael Voris and Vortex is well-known in these parts. Just do a search. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him.


    To Nadir's point, there is a very recent thread in General Discussion, topic entitled "CMTV vs Remnant and CFN".   Check that out, steelcross.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    « Reply #3 on: February 14, 2015, 10:37:16 AM »
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  • Voris has a valid point with regard to the SSPX running Mass centers within the dioceses of Catholic ordinaries, doing Ordinations, and conferring the Sacraments that require jurisdiction for validity (Confession and Matrimony) outside of any actual jurisdiction of the Church.  During normal times and according to normal Catholic standards, those are indeed schismatic activities; it comes across as setting up parallel churches.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 14, 2015, 11:30:06 AM »
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  • I do believe Voris is New Order.  That's enough for me to toss him out.  I picture him as just another N. O. trying to make a buck.  He as no solutions. Except give me money and Fr. Gruner another one, give me money. And he too is not traditional.  They hang around the indult.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 14, 2015, 11:54:52 AM »
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  • Thanks for all the comments :) we live in a time where our souls are in danger. If St. Padre Pio begged his superiors not to force him to say the mass of Vatican 2, then there is a problem. If St. Pio can read souls, he can read the soul of thechurch. And why would fFreemasons applaud Vatican 2?

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    « Reply #6 on: February 14, 2015, 12:07:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: steelcross
    If St. Padre Pio begged his superiors not to force him to say the mass of Vatican 2, ...


    But the real question is what he would have done had the superiors denied his request.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 14, 2015, 04:23:38 PM »
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  • If I recall correctly, St. Pio's last mass was forced upon him which was a novus or do mass, and St. Pio died during the mass. I'm not sure if its just me, but the footage of him in that mass, he looks saddened.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 14, 2015, 04:26:09 PM »
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    If I recall correctly, St. Pio's last mass was forced upon him which was a novus or do mass, and St. Pio died during the mass. I'm not sure if its just me, but the footage of him in that mass, he looks saddened.

    I think you are wrong. I read that he said the old Mass facing the people because he was forced to. I don't think he ever said the Novus Ordo. I also never heard before that he died during his last Mass.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 14, 2015, 04:49:44 PM »
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    If I recall correctly, St. Pio's last mass was forced upon him which was a novus or do mass, and St. Pio died during the mass. I'm not sure if its just me, but the footage of him in that mass, he looks saddened.


    Source.

    "the footage of him in that mass, he looks saddened..."  

    You've seen him die in this Mass?  Source!
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    « Reply #10 on: February 14, 2015, 05:16:41 PM »
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  • Michael Voris is a Conciliar apologist, though he is disgusted with most Conciliar priests and bishops and vocally condemns them.  There is one Conciliar bishop that, I believe he is disgusted with but will not condemn:   The bishop of Rome.

    He, like the SSPX, will pretend that Bergoglio doesn't say and do everything he says and does.  That "Bam" Voris talks about is a silver hammer that Bergoglio is going to use to knock him in the head.  The problem will be that, even when the Conciliar church changes the teachings of the Catholic Church, he pretends that nothing has changed.  He will do much to prevent people from finding the Truth.

    I was amused at the opening post.  While the title sounds like the member is asking for the opinion of the membership, the actual post sounds like a commercial for Voris and his website.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 14, 2015, 06:40:51 PM »
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  • The footage I saw was on a program about Padre Pio before he was recognized as a saint by EWTN. It was years ago, most I remember about it. I am a Catholic who is searching for the truth. I apologize if my post sounded like a commercial or an all pro vortex. I question everything, and I am very concerned for my soul and that of my family. If I sound like a Mr know it all, I apologize, I do not know everything and I want to know others opinions and findings. If I'm wrong, please show me my errors, I'd be delighted to see. Again, I don't know everything, and as we are brothers and sisters in Christ, let us help each other, this is what its about. †

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    « Reply #12 on: February 15, 2015, 06:11:09 AM »
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  • Terry Carroll is the Executive Producer for ChurchMilitant.TV

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    Please take seriously my comment left on the other post: http://bit.ly/RnkcGZ

    I could not be more sympathetic to the SSPX as a temptation for those suffering through the insults to Our Lord at so many Novus Ordo Masses. But it is terribly easy to rationalize one's participation on a regular basis as if we were recusants during the period of the English Reformation. The Church Herself has not declared a "state of emergency" and it is hubris to assume that WE can.

    SSPX priests are validly ordained, their Masses are valid, but they are in all cases acts of disobedience to the Church. SSPX priests do not have faculties to hear confessions. I, personally, do not wish to "gamble" on "Deus supplet" on a matter so urgent. I, personally, experience even MORE pain at the idea that a priest of God offers the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in persona Christi disobediently than I do at the worst excuses for Mass that I have experienced in Novus Ordo settings.

    Suffer through Novus Ordo Masses, even refrain from receiving Holy Communion, rather than rationalize your participation in a Mass that quite likely is even more insulting to God than the Masses you now endure. The cry of Satan was "Non serviam," the penultimate act of disobedience. It is conceivable that SSPX Masses are as offensive to God as Black Masses. God is not mocked, and God does not bless disobedience. Stay with the Church and, in the best traditional sense, "offer it up" as an act of redemptive suffering within the divine chastisement that we all so painfully experience.

    The SSPX are not formally in schism. But the consecration of bishops was declared by Pope John Paul II as "schismatic." This is just a case of hearing "quacks" before definitively concluding that it's a duck. SUFFER through the Novus Ordo Mass and fulfill your obligation to keep holy the Lord's day. Don't pamper your spiritual needs with rationalized disobedience. Pray that the SSPX responds to grace and enters into communion with the Church. This is what the Holy Father asks. As faithful Catholics, THIS is what we should be doing, not reinforcing disobedience. Philothea on Phire (Source)





    Above quote is from this discussion.

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all, under obedience to God, and only then, under obedience to man." - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #13 on: February 15, 2015, 07:47:04 AM »
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  • It is NOT disobedience, even in the second Vatican code of canon will indeed confirm that the bishops that were consecrated by Archbishop Lefebvre ARE legit. SSPX IS NOT disobedient. In the case of the consecration, the priest MUST SAY THE CANON CORRECTLY. Pope Pius V bounded all future popes to NOT change any words in the consecration of the Mass. Vatican 2 did by changing the words of the Blood will be shed for MANY into ALL. JESUS did not say all but He said MANY. Pope Benedict XVI changed it back to ALL, slowly bringing back what St. Pius V had bound. It is a bog deal. I suggest you read the book titled "The Permanent instruction of the Alta Vendita". And also the book AA-1025. Did you not know that Pope Paul VI came close to doing away with the Mass entirely? Do you think it is OK for popes pray together with other religions that do not accept Christ and say we pray to the same God? Do think it was OK for Pope John Paul 2 to kiss the quaran? Do you think it was OK for Pope Benedict, now pope emeritas, to be blessed by a witch doctor? Should we just clam up? It is a catholics duty to help and remind our Popes and bishops to stay true to the faith. The SSPX does not wish to separate from Rome, and will never dream of doing so. I am doing a lot of research into these matters. Even in Vatican 2, there is no such thing as Eucharistic ministers, commentators, etc. If SSPX is in schism, I want to see documents and credible sources. I am concerned for my soul and I will do what I must.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 15, 2015, 08:48:51 AM »
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  • Well, there it is above - Michael Voris' producer says better to go to the new "mass" then  to SSPX. Ever hear Michael Voris say that in one of his videos? Well why not?

    If you don't know exactly where MV stands after what, 8 years and 1000s of videos, that fact alone tells you all you need to know that he is another conservative NOer - which is really a misguided liberal.



       

     
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