Author Topic: The Truth about Assisi. Never-Before-Seen Words from Benedict XVI (Read 6140 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #15 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:06:39 PM »

I call on St. John the Baptist to protect violators of the First Commandment.

It's absurd to suggest that's acceptable. And calling for the protection of Islam is to approve of Islam. There's no way around it.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #16 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:09:44 PM »

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He did NOT say "protect them from conversion" but "take care of them". Why won't you see that? Especially when we are talking about your Pope.

You are the one who refuses to admit that he confirmed them in their false religion. Which he did. Calling on the protection of them in their false religion. As Muslims. Not as people called to convert to Christianity. As Muslims.

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St. Alphonsus Liguori: "It is a mortal sin to have contempt for ones superiors"

It's a mortal sin to approve of false worship. Which is what you do. But no Pope can do it and expect real Catholics to consider him to be a real Pope.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #17 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:11:25 PM »

Goodwilled people who really believe in the First Commandment can't believe God accepts the worship of false Gods, or that it's acceptable to call on saints to protect false religions.

People who ceaselessly quibble over the meaning of words in order to defend the indefensible are bad-willed people.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #18 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:13:07 PM »

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Dictionary

Is·lam (s-läm, z-, släm, z-)
n.
1. A monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to God and to Muhammad as the chief and last prophet of God.
2.
a. The people or nations that practice Islam; the Muslim world.
b. The civilization developed by the Muslim world.

Other dictionaries have "The people or nations that practice Islam; the Muslim world" as the first definition. Learn some respect. BTW the sin of schism is a sin against charity

Hell-bound intransigent defenders of false religions need to learn respect of God.

No one can call on St. John the Baptist to protect Islam without committing a mortal sin of scandal, no "Pope" can without scandalizing the whole world, without committing apostasy.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #19 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:14:19 PM »

It is apparent that you do not worship the Christian God.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #20 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:15:59 PM »

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Douay-Rheims Bible
Acts 17:23:

For passing by, and seeing your idols, I found an altar also, on which was written: To the unknown God. What therefore you worship, without knowing it, ~~that~~ I preach to you

Take it up with St. Paul

He certainly didn't mention any pagan Gods, did he?

You have already said that God will accept prayers to false deities, to idols.

It proves you are not a Christian.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #21 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:16:53 PM »

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So I can't say to a Muslim family "I hope God protects you and your loved ones from harm". That is all the Pope did

Now you're lying. He said Islam. He specifically grouped them according to their false religious practice.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #22 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:20:25 PM »

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Telesphorus, many Popes (papa) have said they are the father of all people. He was being a FATHER to them, saying "St. John, watch over their cares and worries, keep them from harm". Why are you insulting your father for saying that??

The only people Benedict is father of is the modernists.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #23 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:25:16 PM »

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Sorry Telesphorus but you don't pay attention to arguments you just talk. So let me redirect this discussion to good Catholic question. The SSPX said they were going to say 1000 masses in reparation for Assisi III. I don't agree with them, but it got me thinking: if Jesus's sacrifice was perfectly sufficient in itself, why do we offer masses in reparation. "Applying the fruits of the sacrifice" is one thing, but reparation is another. How do we as fellow Catholics explain this? How many times does the Father have to receive the same sacrifice??

He showed his hand here.

He's a Protestant, and I don't mean that he has some Prot-leaning ideas.

He's a PROTESTANT.

There are NO faithful Roman Catholics who phrase their questions like he just did.

I could show you comment after comment on other forums by Protestants who say the EXACT same thing he just did, in just about the EXACT same way.

This I know, because I used to BE a Protestant and I used to rail and rant against Holy Church with all my might.

Words like those I quoted are the 'bread and butter' of the anti-Catholic groups within fundamentalist Protestant organizations.

Besides, anyone who knows Catholic theology knows that 'applying the fruits of the Sacrifice' is THE SAME THING as 'making reparation'.

The fruit of the Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross IS reparation to God for the offenses of men.

NO Catholic would seriously ask 'how many times does the Father have to receive the same Sacrifice'.

Besides, if you look at aquinas' posts, and romantheology's posts, they all bear a distinct character: that of an unwillingness, or refusal, or even ignorance of the proper way to write about the central ideas of the Catholic Faith.

First, it's the Sacrifice, capital S.

It's the Cross, capital C.

It's the Mass, capital M.

See what I mean? So ready to argue about this nuance and that doctrine, but unwilling to even show the proper respect for the holy words that we use to describe and identify the most revered and sacred aspects of the one true Faith.

Oh, and 'faith' as a generic concept or as something general possessed by people, small f.

THE Faith, the Roman Catholic Faith, capital F, because it is THE Faith, not just A faith.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #24 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:26:29 PM »

I'm actually not a sedevacantist. Though I saw on Bellarmine that you said you had doubts about the papacies of JPII and Benedict. Did I read that right?

Popes can't walk with non-Christians and support peace because there can be no true peace unless everyone follows the Social Kingship of Christ. No surprise that Santo Subito starts a dumb thread preaching to us about home hidden good intention of Benedict.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #25 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:32:37 PM »

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You don't accept the Pope as your father so you are in schism.

I don't really think he's the Pope. I just don't got as far as to declare the Chair empty because it's not my place as a layman to do so, but I believe he and the other Vatican II "Popes" will likely be declared antipopes by the Church one day. Oh, and you don't know the real meaning of schism.

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And I was confused by certain quotes from those two Popes, but now I found out those sedevacantists took them out of context as usual

Kind of like how you take the words of Saints out of context? Double standards.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #26 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:33:11 PM »

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[He said that in a sense he was preaching about someone they ALREADY WORSHIPED. Learn to read

You're the one who needs to learn to read. The one they didn't know. The unknown God, not their false deities.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #27 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:38:19 PM »

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You don't accept the Pope as your father so you are in schism.

I don't really think he's the Pope. I just don't got as far as to declare the Chair empty because it's not my place as a layman to do so, but I believe he and the other Vatican II "Popes" will likely be declared antipopes by the Church one day. Oh, and you don't know the real meaning of schism.

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And I was confused by certain quotes from those two Popes, but now I found out those sedevacantists took them out of context as usual

Kind of like how you take the words of Saints out of context? Double standards.

Exactly my point. You can cherry pick quotes from saints just as easily as you can with our Popes. You give wiggle room to the saints for statements, but not charity for your fathers

You have it backwards. You said the writings of Saints could be interpreted as this or that in an attempt to wiggle your way out of your own heretical beliefs. You are just like the typical modernist, full of double standards and you can't even realize it.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #28 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:44:49 PM »

I've already read that quote. It does nothing to back up your point, it only makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about.

And ZENIT news? LOL.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #29 on:** November 06, 2011, 08:53:43 PM »

What question?

And didn't I post like 15 quotes from Saints who said non-Catholics cannot be saved? If they can't be saved, why should we kiss up to their false religions?