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Offline Maria Regina

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The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
« on: January 01, 2016, 07:53:17 PM »
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  • The Liturgy as a Window to Another World
    by MARTIN MOSEBACH
    The Traditionalist, 2016, Special Edition, pp. 78-85
    http://www.booksforcatholics.com/pdf/The_Traditionalist_2016_Special_Edition.pdf

    In the pdf docuмent, scroll down to page 87, and on the left side, middle of the page, you will read:

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    To me, one of the greatest treasures of Islam is its five
    daily prayers when the faithful prostrate themselves before
    God on the earth and touch their foreheads to the ground.
    How much theology becomes unnecessary at the sight of
    people praying so!


    These two sentences are totally out of context to the matter being discussed.

    It is as if the author, Mosebach, is subtly promoting Islam.

    One of my Novus Ordo friends received a copy yesterday in the mail, and thinking it was a traditionalist-conservative Catholic magazine, decided to read it. This article among several others, raised questions.

    After conferring with several of her "traditional" minded friends, she has decided to start attending the FSSP Masses held at St. Victor's here in Los Angeles. Pray for her. I hope this is a step in the right direction.

    Her Novus Ordo confessors have greatly discouraged her from attending Latin Masses.
    Lord have mercy.


    Offline 2Vermont

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    The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
    « Reply #1 on: January 01, 2016, 08:17:34 PM »
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  • subtly?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


    Offline Maria Regina

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    The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
    « Reply #2 on: January 01, 2016, 08:34:43 PM »
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    What is your honest opinion of this Traditionalist magazine?

    This was the question my friend asked me. I believe it is totally a propaganda piece promoting the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and engaging in disinformation to deceive us, Christ's Faithful Remnant.
    Lord have mercy.

    Offline Maria Regina

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    The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
    « Reply #3 on: January 01, 2016, 08:35:48 PM »
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  • Is there a good magazine that I can recommend to my friend?
    Lord have mercy.

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    The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
    « Reply #4 on: January 01, 2016, 08:56:42 PM »
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    What is your honest opinion of this Traditionalist magazine?

    This was the question my friend asked me. I believe it is totally a propaganda piece promoting the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr and engaging in disinformation to deceive us, Christ's Faithful Remnant.


    I was merely noting that the portion you highlighted doesn't just "subtly" promote Islam.  It is blatant as it can be.  If this is any indication of what else one might find in that magazine I would avoid it like the plague.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
    « Reply #5 on: January 01, 2016, 09:07:39 PM »
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    Is there a good magazine that I can recommend to my friend?


    The Reign of Mary (http://www.cmri.org/reign_of_mary.shtml), a quarterly magazine.

    The Four Marks (http://www.thefourmarks.com/), a monthly newspaper.

    I've never heard of The Traditionalist.  But I agree that it doesn't sound very subtle to me either.


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    The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
    « Reply #6 on: January 01, 2016, 09:32:29 PM »
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    Is there a good magazine that I can recommend to my friend?


    From the Housetops

    A Publication of the Crusade of Saint Benedict Center

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    Mancipia

    by The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary


    http://catholicism.org/novemberdecember-mancipia.html
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

    Offline Tyler

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    The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
    « Reply #7 on: January 02, 2016, 02:39:11 AM »
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  • The piety of the Mohammedans is admirable, despite the fact that it is misdirected toward a false religion. The magazine has a point, though promotion of Islam certainly has no place in a Catholic publication. Novus Ordites could learn a good lesson in piety from the Mohammedans, though realistically they'd probably learn nothing and instead try to ecuмenize instead.


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    The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
    « Reply #8 on: January 02, 2016, 11:08:17 AM »
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    To me, one of the greatest treasures of Islam is its five
    daily prayers when the faithful prostrate themselves before
    God on the earth and touch their foreheads to the ground.
    How much theology becomes unnecessary at the sight of
    people praying so!


    These two sentences are totally out of context to the matter being discussed.

    It is as if the author, Mosebach, is subtly promoting Islam.


    If you were to show this quote to the majority of priestly organizations in the world today, don't be surprised to hear something along the lines of: "Sure Islam is an abomination in the eyes of God. But maybe this Muslim is invincibly ignorant through no fault of his own, leads a good moral upstanding life, and even though he/she REJECTS Christ objectively, subjectively he/she is a Catholic in a state of grace and doesn't even know it. Who are we to judge?"

    So as you can see religious freedom that is supposedly being condemned by traditional priestly organizations is actually being promoted SUBTLY!

    Go show a priest that quote and listen to what they say. Hopefully he will be condemn it without any of the mumbo jumbo given above.

       


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    The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
    « Reply #9 on: January 02, 2016, 11:44:08 AM »
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    Quote from: Maria Regina
    Is there a good magazine that I can recommend to my friend?


    The Reign of Mary (http://www.cmri.org/reign_of_mary.shtml), a quarterly magazine.

    The Four Marks (http://www.thefourmarks.com/), a monthly newspaper.

    I've never heard of The Traditionalist.  But I agree that it doesn't sound very subtle to me either.

    [/quot  e]        Good choice of reading.

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    The Traditionalist, Jan. 2016, subtly promotes Islam
    « Reply #10 on: January 03, 2016, 11:43:37 AM »
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    The piety of the Mohammedans is admirable, despite the fact that it is misdirected toward a false religion. The magazine has a point, though promotion of Islam certainly has no place in a Catholic publication. Novus Ordites could learn a good lesson in piety from the Mohammedans, though realistically they'd probably learn nothing and instead try to ecuмenize instead.


    Is it really genuine piety though?
    Or mere outward appearance?
    The central theme in Islam is submission in spite of free will.
    Fear and terror are not prescribed only against infidels but moslems themselves, via indoctrination since infancy, threats of punishments both on earth and the afterlife, and actual enforcement both in moslem countries and the west (via enclave communities).