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  • So you think that the Traditional Latin Mass protects Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests and bishops?  No it doesn't.

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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #1 on: August 12, 2022, 11:15:33 AM »
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  • In fact, in Indult circles it's probably the most dangerous. And I can give logical reasons for that assertion.

    1. In the Indult, the only thing they have is "The Latin Mass" -- not a Crisis in the Church (justifying leaving the Conciliar Authorities and fleeing to unapproved lifeboats), not a crisis of the Catholic Faith itself.

    2. Indult groups do very well financially. The congregation is more "mainstream" (read: not Trad) and so they have better jobs, make good money, etc. Unlike most Trad chapels, Indult groups are NOT running on a shoestring budget. So the whole wartime mentality, spirit of sacrifice, spirit of "everyone is needed; everyone must work and volunteer" is absent. In short, Indult groups are more like the comfort of a 1950's parish. Smells & bells, a lot of LARPing (Live Action Role Play), but no real sacrifice required. No moral fortitude required either -- no one is calling Indulters names like rebel, schismatic, protestant, disobedient, etc.

    3. So you have the same weak, ignorant type of people who accept the Conciliar Church, the new religion -- only they have HIGHER AESTHETIC TASTE and prefer a more ancient, dignified Mass. They don't want Miller Lite, they want wine (and wine sold in bottles, not boxes)

    4. Remember that sodomites are firstly narcissistic. They pull nonsense like having shelves of old books they've never read, because it's all a LARP to them. Sodomites like to LARP as being intellectual, high brow, fashionable, etc. ANYTHING TO PUFF THEMSELVES UP AND DRAW ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES. 

    5. Sodomites love lace surplices, beautiful art, and other SMELLS & BELLS that can only be found in a Latin Mass context.
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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #2 on: August 12, 2022, 11:21:06 AM »
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  • And before V2 as well. A lot of predatory priests were ordained in the 50s and 60s.
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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #3 on: August 12, 2022, 11:30:55 AM »
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  • And before V2 as well. A lot of predatory priests were ordained in the 50s and 60s.
    Are you serious? Like you're one to offer a criticism on the issue of sodomites? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #4 on: August 12, 2022, 11:33:02 AM »
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  • 4. Remember that sodomites are firstly narcissistic. They pull nonsense like having shelves of old books they've never read, because it's all a LARP to them. Sodomites like to LARP as being intellectual, high brow, fashionable, etc. ANYTHING TO PUFF THEMSELVES UP AND DRAW ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES.
    I've noticed the flaunting of the bookshelves among false Trads as well, think of virtually any of the false Trad YouTubers and they all have the well-stocked bookshelves as their backdrop as a big tell on their intellectual pride. I used to flaunt mine too on FE and Twitter when I was a false Trad/NO conservative. It's a pretty common phenomenon, not limited to sodomites as narcissism is rampant.
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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #5 on: August 12, 2022, 12:11:29 PM »
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  • I have lots of old books, mainly schoolbooks and religious books.  I hope that doesn’t mean my faith is shallow and worse, that I’m a pedophile or supporter of them.  

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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #6 on: August 12, 2022, 12:52:17 PM »
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  • And before V2 as well. A lot of predatory priests were ordained in the 50s and 60s.
    That's right.

    In 1986 Fr. John O'Connor said: "Well I know, from my own experience, that these militant ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs have thoroughly infiltrated my order. It began way back in the 40s....they went to Catholic seminaries...by 1952, these ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ infiltrators had gained control of my Dominican Province......."


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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #7 on: August 12, 2022, 01:23:25 PM »
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  • So what this all say for the major premise of a lot of trads, including +Lefebvre and the SSPX?  They would contend that the major fall of the church occurred as a result of V2.  Things were going pretty well for the church prior to V2.  But the Council brought about her downfall.  That has always been the message of the Society.


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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #8 on: August 12, 2022, 03:02:24 PM »
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  • And before V2 as well. A lot of predatory priests were ordained in the 50s and 60s.
    Yes. That is well-explained by Bella Dodd, who repented from being a Communist who brought over 1100 young Communist males into the priesthood, (with the promise that they would have free access to any form of sɛҳuąƖ perverion.)

    I found thsi:

    Perhaps most frightening of all was her testimony that during her time in the Party, “more than eleven hundred men had been put into the priesthood to destroy the Church from within,” the idea here being that these men would be ordained to the priesthood and progress to positions of influence and authority as monsignors and even bishops. She stated that “right now they are in the highest places in the Church” where they were working to weaken the Church’s effectiveness against Communism. These changes, she declared, would be so drastic that “you will not recognize the Catholic Church.” A few years later, in a conversation with a new Catholic friend, Alice von Hildebrand, Bella told her that there are four cardinals within the Vatican “who are working for the Communists.” This was twelve years before Vatican II. The reader can draw his own conclusions.

    https://catholicism.org/bella-dodd-%E2%80%94-from-communist-to-catholic.html
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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #9 on: August 12, 2022, 03:18:41 PM »
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  • There's no doubt that this type of predation existed before Vatican II, but it was also gravely exacerbated by V2 as well, especially due to the mass influx of sodomites into the priesthood with the Conciliar open door policy toward them.  Now it's become so entrenched that there's a sodomite mafia in place where they protect each other.  It's possible that such a mafia has infiltrated even SSPX.  Generally speaking, the Traditional seminaries are not openly accepting of the sodomites, but a fair number get in.  Sodomites are in fact drawn to Traditional rites because of the aesthetic appeal (I knew a couple of them who entered seminary and later "came out" as sodomites), and for them the aesthetics of the Tridentine Mass and other Traditional ritual was the primary appeal.  V2 might also have exacerbated the situation because there were likely a fair number of priests who had unnatural proclivities who were able to suppress them due to the graces from the Mass and the spiritual life of priests prior to V2, but then when everything became secularized, they no longer could or even felt the need to restrain themselves.  There was possibly a contingent of those who were not drawn to marriage due to their unnatural inclinations who then turned to the celibate lifestyle of the priest as a way of feeling fulfilled outside of marriage.  But then when the NO was introduced, they lost a lot of that which protected them from giving in to their inclinations.  And, then, there have always been some sodomites who entered the priesthood precisely because the priesthood would both provide access to boys and also cover for their predations, as the devotion of laity toward priests would make them less likely to suspect them or believe accusations against them ... especially if they could put on an act of simulating great piety.  I knew of one case within the past 20 years where it was an Indult priest who gave terrific orthodox sermons and simulated great piety, so much so that when he was accused of molesting children, the lay faithful were ready to march on the chancery with torches and pitchforks.

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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #10 on: August 12, 2022, 04:28:21 PM »
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  • And before V2 as well. A lot of predatory priests were ordained in the 50s and 60s.
    Brendan Smyth O.Praem was ordained in 1951 yet molested (female children by a small margin) in the US, (Boston, RI, ND), Ireland, Wales and Italy. The Nobertines became aware of his depraved crimes (which involved sacrilege at times) in the 70s yet never informed dioceses or any relevant diocesan authorities (beyond sending him for treatment in the late 60s), who when they discovered (mid 70s), investigated, filed a report, and punted him along. Basically, a sex offender shuffle of sorts. However, the almost complete ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖisation, effeminisation of the priesthood, culminating in the present rule of Argentina's Ted McCarrick (or maybe even Ted McCarrick as one trad vlogger wondered for at the US), was after V2. Discipline completely collapsed or was subverted in many seminaries. St Patrick's seminary, Maynooth, now Ireland's national seminary was headed from 1985 by a high flying homo predator and progressive Michéal Ledwith, and before that was one of the most senior officers in St Peter's seminary in Waterford. While in authority he appointed other cunning predators who carefully selected certain men for both wickedness and advancement. At least the Dublin archdiocese was spared that fαɢɢօt who was one of three names after +Kevin McNamara died of cancer. The Novus Ordo suits the unstable personality of the sodomite, dignified one week, degraded the next, yet perverts were already infiltrating long before, unchecked.

    The essentials of the Novus Ordo had been sketched out in liturgical conferences in the '50s. I see a connection as something as fixed as the Roman Rite would frustrate a homo. One possibly connected thing is how at V2 Cardinal Montini was a clearly conservative voice at V2, for all his limited liturgical experiment earlier, favouring clear a ordinary of the Mass and secret propers in Latin yet was working to dump Latin soon after he became Pope. His versus populum Mass in 1964 was mostly translated. Perhaps he was a deceitful infiltrator, but it is more than strongly suggested that Montini was known to police as sodomite (found in a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ brothel in Milan) and therefore easy to compromise. His tormented last years hints at blackmail.


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    Re: The TLM does not shield Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predation
    « Reply #11 on: August 12, 2022, 05:14:21 PM »
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  • So you think that the Traditional Latin Mass protects Catholics from ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ priests and bishops?  No it doesn't.

    Nine Graves | The Vortex (churchmilitant.com)
    The  Traditional Latin Mass does not protect Catholics from sodomites. Catholic Church is full of adulterers too. They are really Lutherans.  It’s just as bad as novus Ordo.  The Protestants are are filled with sodomites.  Protestants already have “married”  sodomite ministers.

    Sodomy is everywhere and in everything. 
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    « Reply #12 on: August 12, 2022, 05:18:34 PM »
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  • So what this all say for the major premise of a lot of trads, including +Lefebvre and the SSPX?  They would contend that the major fall of the church occurred as a result of V2.  Things were going pretty well for the church prior to V2.  But the Council brought about her downfall.  That has always been the message of the Society.
    Vatican II was created with help of non Christians who hate Jesus.  Vatican II is the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr religion.  There was mortal sins before Vatican II but things became much worse after Vatican II which where they are now preaching a different false gospel using Synod. 

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    « Reply #13 on: August 12, 2022, 05:23:52 PM »
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  • The situation at FE isn’t unique.  There are divorced Catholics who attend TLM too.

    Divorced and remarried hand out holy communion, read the readings and run the novus Ordo.  I see priests going to church events with divorced remarried couples. Local bulletins all are welcome ( except) 



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    « Reply #14 on: August 12, 2022, 05:41:39 PM »
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  • In fact, in Indult circles it's probably the most dangerous. And I can give logical reasons for that assertion.

    1. In the Indult, the only thing they have is "The Latin Mass" -- not a Crisis in the Church (justifying leaving the Conciliar Authorities and fleeing to unapproved lifeboats), not a crisis of the Catholic Faith itself.

    2. Indult groups do very well financially. The congregation is more "mainstream" (read: not Trad) and so they have better jobs, make good money, etc. Unlike most Trad chapels, Indult groups are NOT running on a shoestring budget. So the whole wartime mentality, spirit of sacrifice, spirit of "everyone is needed; everyone must work and volunteer" is absent. In short, Indult groups are more like the comfort of a 1950's parish. Smells & bells, a lot of LARPing (Live Action Role Play), but no real sacrifice required. No moral fortitude required either -- no one is calling Indulters names like rebel, schismatic, protestant, disobedient, etc.

    3. So you have the same weak, ignorant type of people who accept the Conciliar Church, the new religion -- only they have HIGHER AESTHETIC TASTE and prefer a more ancient, dignified Mass. They don't want Miller Lite, they want wine (and wine sold in bottles, not boxes)

    4. Remember that sodomites are firstly narcissistic. They pull nonsense like having shelves of old books they've never read, because it's all a LARP to them. Sodomites like to LARP as being intellectual, high brow, fashionable, etc. ANYTHING TO PUFF THEMSELVES UP AND DRAW ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES.

    5. Sodomites love lace surplices, beautiful art, and other SMELLS & BELLS that can only be found in a Latin Mass context.
    True.  


     Going to indult Mass makes one accomplice to mortal sin taking place in nearby parishes. It is within a corrupt sinful diocese.  I kept saying to others we should be protesting these other parishes offering a celebration of sodomy.  

    independent chapel was totally dangerous too.  

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