This was mentioned by Angelus in another thread, but I find the subject so intriguing that I wanted to start my own thread on this.
I had never heard of this story until now. Here's the bizarre story. In 2010, an anonymous reader of Tradition in Action
sent them a photo of a docuмent that they said was the third secret of Fatima. While I don't tend to believe most anonymous emails, what's interesting is that Guimaraes
had the photo analyzed by a handwriting expert and compared to known docuмents of (the real) Sr. Lucy, and
the person said they were written by the same person.
This raises a vast number of questions, assuming it's true. How would someone gain access to this docuмent who would want to send it to Tradition in Action? That must be one of the most closely guarded secrets in the world after the complete recipe for Coca-Cola.
It's probably easier to get access to the
nuclear football than to the third secret. And anyone who would be allowed to see it (which is probably not more than a couple of people) would certainly not be anyone traditionally minded.
That being said, if this is a hoax, it's a pretty complicated and clever hoax, that's for sure. It's not that easy to fake someone else's handwriting. And this has some interesting internal confirmations that this might be real.
But here's the text of what the secret says:
Tuy September 1, 1944 or April 1, 1944
JMJ
Now I am going to reveal the third fragment of the secret: This part is the apostasy in the Church!
Our Lady showed us the individual who I describe as the 'holy Father' in front of a multitude that was cheering him.
But there was a difference from a true holy Father, his devilish gaze, this one had the gaze of evil.
Then, after some moments we saw the same Pope entering a Church, but this Church was the Church of hell; there is no way to describe the ugliness of that place. It looked like a gray cement fortress with broken angles and windows similar to eyes; it had a beak in the roof of the building.
Next, we raised our eyes to Our Lady who said to us: You saw the apostasy in the Church; this letter can be opened by the holy Father, but it must be announced after Pius XII and before 1960.
In the kingdom of John Paul II the cornerstone of Peter's grave must be removed and transferred to Fatima.
Because the dogma of the faith is not conserved in Rome, its authority will be removed and delivered to Fatima.
The cathedral of Rome must be destroyed and a new one built in Fatima.
If 69 weeks after this order is announced, Rome continues its abomination, the city will be destroyed.
Our Lady told us that this is written,[in] Daniel 9:24-25 and Matthew 21:42-44
Guimaraes thinks the text was tampered with by transposing some of the words with the help of photoshop, and he made some minor changes to what it says, but this is substantially accurate.
A few observations.
1. This text mentions nothing about a council, which everyone thought the text would include. Indeed, it says little about what this evil pope will actually do.
Guimaraes thinks the docuмent actually says the pope was telling people to praise the devil, but that's not all that much more informative.
2. The message is nearly useless. The first part says basically that an evil pope will walk into an ugly church. That's it?
3. Actually the message is implicitly sedevacantist, in that it says the person is an "
individual who I describe as the 'holy Father' ". This is a strange way to describe the pope.
4. The famous line about "in Portugal the doctrine of the faith will always be preserved" is not contained here in those exact words, but what is interesting is that it is clearly implied by saying that the seat of the Church will be transferred to Fatima after Rome loses the Faith. This makes some sense, because whoever it was that said the secret says that "In Portugal the doctrine of the Faith will always be preserved" could easily have been misunderstood as given a direct quote when they were actually simply relating something from the secret in their own words.
5. That being said, it is theologically erroneous to talk about the head of the Church being transferred away from Rome. Theologians teach that Rome will always be the head of the Church until the end of the world, and that the bishop of the diocese of Rome will always be the pope and vice versa.
6. Bizarrely enough, the statement about St. Peter's grave being brought to Fatima is actually true. In March of 2004, John Paul II sent a piece of stone from the tomb of St. Peter to be the cornerstone. Guimaraes dug this up and posted photos of this event which I can't find now.
7. The second to last line is very strange to me. It refers to an order, and Rome being destroyed if it doesn't comply within 69 weeks of the publication of the order. The docuмent doesn't contain any orders that I can find. And the deadline of 69 weeks strikes me as a bizarre length of time. First of all, as i said above, Rome can't be destroyed. Secondly, is this a week of days or a week of years, as in Daniel? If the former, that's barely over a year; a short amount of time for a thread. If the latter, that's almost half a millennium before the punishment is carried out; far too long. Also, I wonder if this is why the secret was never published? Because they never wanted to start the clock ticking on those 69 weeks, so the popes never published it?! If so, why would Our Lady have put a threat in the secret that has such a gigantic loophole in it?
Anyone have any thoughts on this bizarre story?
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