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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2021, 06:55:46 PM »
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  • I dispute Mask's assertion that before Vatican II all the clergy were well trained and knew their stuff and could be counted on by that alone to validly confect Sacraments.  I knew some pre-V2 clergy who barely knew Latin, and even among the bishops, why do you think they brought periti with them to the Council? ... because they couldn't understand the proceedings due to the Latin and also due to the theology.

    Nevertheless, their Sacraments are presumed valid unless a positive doubt can be established about a particular case, and that had nothing to do with a presumptive quality of training.  This sounds more and more like a Kelly-ite lackey.  For all we know, the Mask is a reference to the fact that Bishop Kelly is wearing a mask here and disguising his identity.

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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #31 on: October 18, 2021, 09:06:43 AM »
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  • What is this incredibly bombastic nonsense?  It gives me a headache to read this stuff, which was clearly written by someone who's trying to show off with a Thesaurus.

    It can be summarized in one sentence: there's allegedly some video somewhere of a botched consecration in the +Thuc line by an unnamed consecrator.

    Simply name the name and adduce the evidence.  No one should be forced to read several pages of fluff just to take that point away from it.


    Thanks Ladislaus.  100% concur.  why did Julius Caesar despise Cicero?  because he took forever to GET TO THE POINT!


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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #32 on: October 20, 2021, 10:06:46 AM »
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  • Did the SSPV send him with a mask because he has COVID?

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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #33 on: October 20, 2021, 01:47:31 PM »
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  • Veritatem meditabitur guttur meum.

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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #34 on: October 21, 2021, 05:32:45 PM »
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  • These types of threads are retarded and from Satan as a means to sow confusion and doubt.
    Satan can't sow confusion through this drivel if you don't read it. Really, is there anyone here so insane that they would read it?
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #35 on: October 21, 2021, 07:10:27 PM »
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  • :sleep:
    "We dare not even start to hope until the Faith, the true Faith, and its revealed content, are secured in our minds. Only in terms of Faith do we dare to hope."

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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #37 on: October 24, 2021, 11:02:28 AM »
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  • Hey Orifice of OBSCURITY!!!
     
    You didn’t do a good enough job of hiding the identities of the THIRD MAN and his “two victims”. You can keep the kindergarden level readers around here in the dark. Not me. I can read at the college level. And I read you the Masked Manhole Cover loud and clear. It took some online detective work but I found the “Non-Exhaustive Map of Episcopal Consecrations deriving from Thuc Lineage” you used.
     
    I jumped all over the map following the arrows that pointed to The THIRD MAN. He was Francis Slupski (from Thuc, Des Lauriers, McKenna). The guy in your video was Paul Petko (02/12/2011), and the next one down the red and green lines was Robert Dymek (12/07/2011). BTW you forgot to mention Slupski also ordained both those guys priests. Bet it was the same year. Bet those were botched too. You tried to hide that.
     
    WHAT SAY YOU O BIG MOUTH?????????? THE CATS OUT OF THE BAG NOW. DID IT GET YOUR MARBLE TONGUE????? Next time tell the whole story. Names and dates. Upload the video and prove me wrong!!!!! You can’t protect sedes now. 



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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #38 on: October 24, 2021, 02:42:25 PM »
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  • What is the point of all of this? 

    Is this for the salvation of souls or is there some sort of personal vendetta at play here?

    One must be very careful, lest he wind up burning in Hell next to the very one he hates. 

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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #39 on: October 24, 2021, 03:21:17 PM »
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  • What is the point of all of this?

    Is this for the salvation of souls or is there some sort of personal vendetta at play here?

    One must be very careful, lest he wind up burning in Hell next to the very one he hates.
    If this was about salvation he'd post a DVD rip for us to analyze. Multiple requests to do so and he can't reproduce it. 
    "We dare not even start to hope until the Faith, the true Faith, and its revealed content, are secured in our minds. Only in terms of Faith do we dare to hope."

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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #40 on: October 24, 2021, 03:44:13 PM »
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  • Are you talking about a Thuc line bishop in Mexico? I remember seeing a video on youtube where the essential form isn't said or docuмented.


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #41 on: October 24, 2021, 03:58:57 PM »
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  • You tried to hide that.
    ...
    You can’t protect sedes now.


    He's not protecting any sedes.  Otherwise he simply wouldn't have written all this nonsense to begin with.

    In fact, by refusing to explain who it was, he's basically trying to create FUD about the entire Thuc line.

    He's playing some kind of game in the interests of his bloated ego.

    If there's evidence of a botched consecration, then everyone wants to see it and have a right to see it.  Sedes themselves would want the situation rectified or else would advise people to stay away.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #42 on: October 24, 2021, 04:00:39 PM »
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  • Are you talking about a Thuc line bishop in Mexico? I remember seeing a video on youtube where the essential form isn't said or docuмented.

    Clearly not.  There's no video of that consecration.

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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #43 on: October 24, 2021, 08:57:39 PM »
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  • Are you talking about a Thuc line bishop in Mexico? I remember seeing a video on youtube where the essential form isn't said or docuмented.
    Don't buy Kelleyite propaganda. IIRC there's a WCB video where Jenkins asserted this.
    "We dare not even start to hope until the Faith, the true Faith, and its revealed content, are secured in our minds. Only in terms of Faith do we dare to hope."

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    Re: THE THIRD MAN: A cautionary narrative on the validity of orders
    « Reply #44 on: October 25, 2021, 10:28:05 AM »
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  • It Thuc you many posts to say you are SSPV.