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Offline Mark 79

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Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2024, 12:43:05 AM »
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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #32 on: February 17, 2024, 06:36:15 AM »
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  • I don't know if he's the pope or not, but to me, he's just a little social, justice warrior wokester.

    You ever get the feeling you just want to slap the sh*t out of someone?

    That's the feeling I get with this guy.

    Especially when it comes to fαɢɢօts and the "vaxx".

    What a pathetic loser.

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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #33 on: February 17, 2024, 09:06:19 AM »
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  • There are three lines of argument that Bergoglio cannot be a true Pope:
    Shortly before he died in 1226 A.D., St. Francis of Assisi prophesied that:
    “A man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the pontificate… In those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer.”
    “A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.”
    Prophesied in Holy Writ
    The Present Crisis of the Holy See Tested by Prophesy
    by Cdl. Henry Edward Manning, D.D.
    Destroyer • Heretic • Enabler of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan
    Bergoglio was a pertinacious public heretic years before the 2013 Conclave
    “Team Bergoglio” is a heretical conspiracy to overthrow the Church of Christ
    https://www.fromrome.info/2015/02/10/team-bergoglio-is-a-heretical-conspiracy-to-overthrow-the-church-of-christ/
    Bergoglio’s Heretical Past is Francis’ Present (only the Spanish language original survives)
    Francis re-defrocks fellow Novus Ordo priest in the name of defending Orthodox Judaism
    Francis and the Shekinah
    Teachings of [Jorge Bergoglio] compared to past Church Teaching
    Francis  promotes the 620 noahide laws
    Francis jokes about the Crucifixion
    Francis denies de fide dogma on Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory
    Francis Commits Innumerable Blapshemies and Heresies
    Francis Sanctions Idolatry
    Pope Francis Touts 'Divine Pleasures' of Sex, Good Food, Rejects ‘Overzealous Morality' in New Book
    Aligned with the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan’s Culture of Death, Bergoglio’s diabolical commentary on Catholic mothers:
    “God gives you methods to be responsible. Some think that—excuse the word—that in order to be good Catholics we have to be like rabbits. No.”
    and enabling the Culture of Death sodomites, sinful and infertile:
    “…who am I to judge?”
    Note: We all have a duty to judge objective matters!
    Why Francis Must Not Be Considered The Pope
    https://youtu.be/AmV8-TDjwKo

    What prevents Jorge Bergoglio since the death of Pope Benedict XVI from acquiring the papacy via universal and peaceful acceptance is his public manifest formal heresy.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #34 on: February 17, 2024, 09:11:39 AM »
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  • There are three lines of argument that Bergoglio cannot be a true Pope:
    Shortly before he died in 1226 A.D., St. Francis of Assisi prophesied that:
    “A man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the pontificate… In those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer.”

    Dealing with reasons why Bergoglio himself cannot be the Pope leads you away from understanding why NONE of the V2 papal claimants from Bergoglio on could be real popes.  Vatican II is a non-Catholic religion established by putative authority of these Antipopes, but the Holy Spirit prevents true popes from using their authority to establish a non-Catholic religion.

    I believe that the St. Francis prophecy was about Roncalli, who was uncanonically elected due to the fact that Siri was at that time the rightfully-elected pope.


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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #35 on: February 17, 2024, 01:00:44 PM »
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  • Dealing with reasons why Bergoglio himself cannot be the Pope leads you away from understanding why NONE of the V2 papal claimants from Bergoglio on could be real popes.  Vatican II is a non-Catholic religion established by putative authority of these Antipopes, but the Holy Spirit prevents true popes from using their authority to establish a non-Catholic religion.

    I believe that the St. Francis prophecy was about Roncalli, who was uncanonically elected due to the fact that Siri was at that time the rightfully-elected pope.

    The case for NONE being real Popes is made on a separate page: https://archive.is/bbiSQ

    Because of trolls like our most recent offender, I decided that Jorge deserved his own page to make the case against him as personal as possible: https://archive.is/VZNJJ



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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #36 on: February 17, 2024, 02:23:30 PM »
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  • There are three lines of argument that Bergoglio cannot be a true Pope:
    Shortly before he died in 1226 A.D., St. Francis of Assisi prophesied that:
    “A man, not canonically elected, will be raised to the pontificate… In those days Jesus Christ will send them not a true pastor, but a destroyer.”

    In order to fulfill the prophecies of St. Francis and Daniel 11:21, only options 2 or 3 would apply. Option 2 ("pre-conclave lobbying) cannot be objectively proven, but is probably true. However, Option 3 (invalid election based on the issues around BXVI's renunciation), can be objectively proven.

    But, the standard (Barnhardt/Bugnolo) take on the "invalid renunciation" is defective because it depends on a novel interpretation of the words of BXVI. They assume that BXVI did not, in fact, resign according to 1983 Canon 332. That is not objectively provable. Here is what BXVI said in his Declaratio:


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    ...with full freedom I declare that I renounce the ministry of Bishop of Rome, Successor of Saint Peter, entrusted to me by the Cardinals on 19 April 2005, in such a way, that as from 28 February 2013, at 20:00 hours, the See of Rome, the See of Saint Peter, will be vacant...

    BXVI stated very clearly what he was doing. He resigned from his office as "Bishop of Rome" and the "See of Rome" will be vacant. Those quoted terms have specific meanings in Canon Law.

    The mistake certain people are making is that they think that the "resignation" from the See of Rome (the Roman See) automatically causes a vacancy in the Apostolic See (the Holy See). That is incorrect.

    The "Roman See" and the "Apostolic See" are two completely different entities according to Canon Law. The Roman See is set in St. John Lateran Cathedral. The Apostolic See is set in the Vatican. The Roman See is governed by the Bishop of Rome. The Apostolic See is governed by the Roman Pontiff (who is also the Bishop of Rome) and the Roman Curia together. The "Roman See" can be in a state of "vacancy" while the "Apostolic See" is not vacant. Note the differences in 1983 Canon Law:


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    Can. 335 When the Roman See is vacant or entirely impeded, nothing is to be altered in the governance of the universal Church; the special laws issued for these circuмstances, however, are to be observed.

    Can. 359 When the Apostolic See is vacant, the college of cardinals possesses only that power in the Church which is attributed to it in special law.

    If a vacancy in the "Roman See" is identical to a vacancy in the "Apostolic See," why are there substantially different restrictions on what is to be done. This is explained by the way that 1983 Canon Law defines the term "Apostolic See":


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    Can. 360 The Supreme Pontiff usually conducts the affairs of the universal Church through the Roman Curia which performs its function in his name and by his authority for the good and service of the churches. The Roman Curia consists of the Secretariat of State or the Papal Secretariat, the Council for the Public Affairs of the Church, congregations, tribunals, and other institutes; the constitution and competence of all these are defined in special law.

    Can. 361 In this Code, the term Apostolic See or Holy See refers not only to the Roman Pontiff but also to the Secretariat of State, the Council for the Public Affairs of the Church, and other institutes of the Roman Curia, unless it is otherwise apparent from the nature of the matter or the context of the words.

    So, the Apostolic See is a layered corporate entity, made up of and governed by many different people. But the Roman See is governed by a single person, the Bishop of Rome.

    Now, we get to the papal election law Universi Dominici Gregis, which clearly states that the election of the Roman Pontiff can take place only AFTER there is a vacancy in the "Apostolic See" (which is not the same thing as a vacancy in the "Roman See"). As UDG 14 states, the vacancy in the "Apostolic See" only happen when the Pope dies:


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    14. According to the provisions of Article 6 of the Apostolic Constitution Pastor Bonus,13 at the death of the Pope all the heads of the Dicasteries of the Roman Curia — the Cardinal Secretary of State and the Cardinal Prefects, the Archbishop Presidents, together with the members of those Dicasteries — cease to exercise their office.

    Therefore, even if the "Bishop of Rome" validly resigns, which BXVI did, the Apostolic See is not "vacant" until after "the death of the Pope."

    Since a new election for the Roman Pontiff cannot take place until there is a vacancy in the "Apostolic See," and the Apostolic See was not vacant because BXVI was not dead in March of 2013, the election held in 2013 was illegitimate and completely null and void.

    This thesis is the best one because everything needed to prove it is objectively available. There is no conjecture involved. One simply needs to read the law properly and to acknowledge that BXVI was not dead in 2013.



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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #37 on: February 17, 2024, 03:16:43 PM »
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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #38 on: February 17, 2024, 04:15:28 PM »
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  • While Fr. Kramer is correct in everything he says in that post, I think his argument about avoiding the "psychological legalistic hangup about obedience, jurisdiction and faculties" can be simplified somewhat. There is no need to appeal to "natural equity" for those who accept 1983 Canon Law.

    Since his audience in that post appears to be non-sedevacantist, traditional Catholics, Kramer can appeal to 1983 Canon 844, which states the following:


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    §2. Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.

    This canon makes it clear that the Christian faithful do not need to worry about the lack of "formal canonical authorization" of those priests administering "valid sacraments" (penance, Eucharist, anointing of the sick) as long as the following conditions are met:

    1. a "true spiritual advantage suggests it"
    2. the "danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided"
    3. "it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister"

    For example, if a conciliar bishop claims that a sedevacantist priest is not "a Catholic minister," then the Catholic faithful may licitly receive the Sacraments from that Sedevacantist priest without any canonical concerns, under those conditions.

    The only Sacraments that are not listed in Canon 844 are baptism (which even heretics can confer), marriage (provided for in Canon 1116), confirmation (which any bishop can confer), and holy orders (which any bishop can confer).


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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #39 on: February 18, 2024, 09:06:57 PM »
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  • The case for NONE being real Popes is made on a separate page: https://archive.is/bbiSQ

    Because of trolls like our most recent offender, I decided that Jorge deserved his own page to make the case against him as personal as possible: https://archive.is/VZNJJ




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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #40 on: February 23, 2024, 11:55:44 AM »
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  • They don’t want anyone going to any church.  
    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #41 on: February 23, 2024, 11:58:38 AM »
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  • I don't know if he's the pope or not, but to me, he's just a little social, justice warrior wokester.

    You ever get the feeling you just want to slap the sh*t out of someone?

    That's the feeling I get with this guy.

    Especially when it comes to fαɢɢօts and the "vaxx".

    What a pathetic loser.
    Yes. 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #42 on: February 25, 2024, 08:41:43 AM »
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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #43 on: February 25, 2024, 08:48:41 AM »
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  • Jesus Christ against Jorge Bergoglio
    Jorge says:
    t does not in any way follow that the Jєωs are excluded from God’s salvation because they do not believe in Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel and the Son of God,”
    “The Gifts and the Calling of God are Irrevocable” Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with the Jєωs.
    Really? Jesus contradicts Jorge:
    “Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
    "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also."
    Expectedly, the infallible and unchangeable Magisterium sides with Jesus against Jorge
    “§714 The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jєωs, and heretics, and schismatics, can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil, and his angels,’ (Matthew 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this Ecclesiastical Body, that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, alms deeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
    Cantate Domino, from the infallible ecuмenical Council of Florence under His Holiness Pope Eugene IV defining the Solemn Doctrine: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (“Outside the Church, there is no salvation.”), promulgated by papal bull, February 4, 1444 [Florentine calendar] in Denziger, Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, § 714
    …and against Jorge’s public practice of тαℓмυdic rites:

    “§ 712 It [the Holy Catholic Church] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to Divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the Sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circuмcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors.”
    Cantate Domino, from the infallible ecuмenical Council of Florence under His Holiness Pope Eugene IV defining the Solemn Doctrine: Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (“Outside the Church, there is no salvation.”), promulgated by papal bull, February 4, 1444 [Florentine calendar] in Denziger, Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, § 712
    the problem is not that Jorge associates with Jєωs, but that he confirms them in a religion that cannot save them.
    He is even ashamed of letting them see Jesus, so he does not evangelize them; he hides his pectoral cross from them.



    When I saw this picture, at first glance I thought it might be Monica Lewinsky.

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    Re: the тαℓмυdic anti-Pope
    « Reply #44 on: February 26, 2024, 09:12:00 AM »
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  • Yet another case of a picture saying 1,000 words.