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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2014, 04:14:05 PM »
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  • I know you mean well, but to be honest given how much time and effort you have dedicated to the topic. It seems to me and correct me if I am wrong. Are you doing it an effort to draw others away from false-private revelation or to convince yourself that it is not true. If this is so, then it might not be so bad.

    Read this article, https://books.google.com/books?id=5Vk_AAAAYAAJ&dq=the%20casuist%20moral%20cases&pg=PA123#v=onepage&q&f=false .

    If you have scruples I would say that it would be wise, to not read any of that sort of material. Force yourself to read something else, now this problem tends to be more of an issue with women. I can't tell you how many I have spoken to, mostly middle aged house wives. The mothers of many my acquaintances/friends, all of them read private revelation to their own destruction. They have imbibed so much heresy as a result of it, now there are many who are actually doctrinally sound, and always interpret even false private revelation with the mind of the Church. So to these other individuals it is never going to harm them, but still I would say that it is generally a waste of time. Better to read a Catechism of the Summa, or other spiritual/doctrinal books that are much more sound in theology.
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    « Reply #31 on: December 09, 2014, 11:18:23 PM »
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    The Ukraine is billions in debt to Gazprom.....


    How is that the fault of Russia? And your bringing up IMF doesn't help your argument. IMF is the enemy of Russia. IMF, who greatly contributed to the debt slavery of Ukraine, is also trying to undermine Russia. IMF is part of the same cabal who waged a coup against a legitimate Ukrainian presidency with loyalty to Russia. And what part of, "Russia has every right to raise prices on gas against a Ukrainian govt/nation acting as a proxy for war against Russia", do you not understand? Your "logic" is that of blaming an innocent man for putting the children of a drunken man in near destitution, when the drunkard started a fight with the innocent man, but the drunkard ended up getting severely whooped and in the hospital, thus having to miss work for 3 weeks, hence no income. None of that would have happened if it were not for the belligerence and aggression of the drunkard. The blame for the children having to suffer lies with the drunken father, not the man who justifiably defends himself.

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    Russia is not an antithesis of Marxism or Soviet Communism or Socialism. If you can establish it as an antithesis of anything, please do


    Ok. Simple. I'll reiterate, AGAIN, the most clear cut antithesis of current Russia to the Godlessness and cultural Marxism of the former Soviet Union. The Soviet state officially denied Our Lord. They state mandated atheism everywhere and persecuted the Church. Russia now criminalizes any public mockery of the Church and blasphemy of Christ. Putin promotes the Church in Russia. Soviet Marxist thesis: "No God"... worship the state... attack all that is Christian. Putin's Russia antithesis: God exists... participate in worship to Him... reprimand anyone who offends the Lord and the Church. The Synthesis: More God-loving and God-fearing people... a people who begin to adhere to what is Holy again, even if the longing for Him is just in its genesis... a more virtuous people who come to realize why they're created - to know, love, serve and worship the Lord with all of their strength. To fulfill Our Lord's true plans for their lives. No better synthesis than that...

    You lose, again.

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    Do you honestly expect us to believe that Russia has overcome her own lies without a consecration?


    This is a strawman argument because I never said Russia has undergone a full conversion to the Catholic Faith. The Blessed Virgin Mary said Russia's consecration to her Immaculate Heart is necessary for their conversion. However, even when no such consecration has taken place, that doesn't mean other prayers for Russia have no efficacy, for Christ hears all sincere prayers, thus we cannot rule out the prayers of some of the faithful, where Our Lord might respond and shed His graces upon Russia, so she begins to become a nation that acknowledges Him, and resists some of the evils that once plagued it. Christ even said we can move mountains if we had the Faith of a mustard seed.

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    So now onto Obama...


    How many times do I have to clearly explain that Obama is an evil Sock Puppet? You're preaching to the choir about him. He pushes for systemic cultural Marxism; and politically and economically, he pushes for Marxist socialism at the grassroots level; however, the elite level enjoys the benefits and powers of a corporate technocratic plutocracy controlling the whole anti-Christ and anti-human system.

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    Now jews are certainly involved, but you have to take down the real power that shields them and every other abomination that's rearing it's ugly head. If all we had to worry about was the Israeli army, the most cowardly military power on the face of the earth, we wouldn't be having this discussion.


    If one event can explain who, indeed, are the most cunning deceivers threatening world peace and the sovereignty of the USA, it is the 9/11 attacks. Who was behind 9/11? Not "Soviet Russia"... not Putin... not the KGB disguising themselves as stand-up guys. No, rather it was the perfidious jews (dual Israeli-American citizens) and Israel who were primarily involved in the attacks and coverup of 9/11. Saudi Arabia was also involved but to a lesser extent. These neocon jews are the same demons who manipulate geopolitical events of strategic importance around the world, including Ukraine as I've already proven.

    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #32 on: December 10, 2014, 05:04:44 PM »
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  • Allow me to quote the St John Vianney for a moment when I say "Poor man!"

    God never used or will use Hegelian dialect for anything. What He does, He does unequivocally, boldly and powerfully. Thesis/Antithesis/Synthesis are tools of deception and seduction (of which you are an unfortunate victim). By admitting Russia is using this structure, you've already ceded that Russia's actions are not from Heaven.

    What madness is it, to finally admit that Ukraine is in fact paying through the nose, only to say they deserve it? Did you know Ukraine is about 60 times the Catholic nation that Russia is? They have about 3 different variations of Catholicism (all supported by SSPX, recognized by the Vatican) and even the smallest one at about one million members dwarves the entire Russian Catholic demographic!

    Most recent estimates I've been able to find for Catholics in Russia put it at about 150,000 total, with approximately 10,000 attending Mass on a regular basis. Foreign Catholics within Russia might compromise almost one-third of even that total. Even the Jews appear to have higher numbers! From all indications, the Catholic population has shriveled since the Russian Federation took over.

    Your glorious Russian acquisition of Crimea has yielded a handful of kidnapped Catholic priests, burnt churches and an oppressed Catholic population. You're applauding that?

    Your pride has exceeded your knowledge of this matter and eclipsed the intelligence God gave you because you just want to win an internet argument. Don't you dare come back into this discussion with more of this worthless Russian propaganda and tail-chasing logic. It would go easier for for you if you simply said you weren't Catholic and didn't believe in the Fatima message. Otherwise, what a miserable excuse unworthy of the affiliation! Trad card revoked! lol.

    Get it through your culpably ignorant skull; Our Lady called for the conversion of Russia. Rogue, anti-Catholic state R-U-S-S-I-A. No amount of "half conversions" will do. She would no more use anti-catholic "Orthodox" heretics to spread her devotion than anti-catholic Protestants and the like in the West.

    As far as the rest of your hackneyed YouTube(RT?)-fueled library of theories, without the lens of Fatima they are worthless.  Nothing can be left off the table when it comes to Russia's deceit and treachery.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #33 on: December 10, 2014, 07:03:19 PM »
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    Allow me to quote the St John Vianney for a moment when I say "Poor man!"

    God never used or will use Hegelian dialect for anything. What He does, He does unequivocally, boldly and powerfully. Thesis/Antithesis/Synthesis are tools of deception and seduction (of which you are an unfortunate victim). .


    Another strawman argument from you. First, Hegelian dialectic is a manufactured Problem - Reaction - "Solution" (that's a fake solution and meant to create more problems, thus evoking more reactions and "solutions") which is a means of deceiving and manipulating the herd into supporting actions based on a pretext, in order to effect a hidden agenda that benefits only those who orchestrated the Hegelian dialectic in the first place. 9/11 is a quintessential Hegelian dialectic.

    You're the one (fallaciously) conflating thesis, antithesis, synthesis with Hegelian dialectic as explained above, as to control the narrative and thereby "win" an argument over a position that I'm not making. I never said Our Lord came up with the Hegelian dialectic to make Russia into a nation that accepts Him again. I merely pointed out Russia (promoting God) is the antithesis of former Soviet Union (denying God & persecuting Church). Then you try to conflate this with a Hegelian dialectic... as if this is my position. :laugh2: FAIL !! and very underhanded of you.

    Of course, you ignore the imperative point being made regarding 9/11 and who was really behind it in my last post, for this is the Litmus Test. You know that if you're confronted with such test, you would be forced to realize the truth of the matter. So your cognitive dissonance makes you run away yelling "blah blah blah blah" with your phalanges stuck in your ears.

    As for the rest of your drivel, which I did not bother to read, my only appropriate response is,  :read-paper: , for I'm now done with you. The rest of your red herring and other logical fallacy-laden posts will be met with  :sleep:
     
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    « Reply #34 on: December 11, 2014, 08:18:44 AM »
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    Another strawman argument from you. First, Hegelian dialectic is a manufactured Problem - Reaction - "Solution" (that's a fake solution and meant to create more problems, thus evoking more reactions and "solutions") which is a means of deceiving and manipulating the herd into supporting actions based on a pretext, in order to effect a hidden agenda that benefits only those who orchestrated the Hegelian dialectic in the first place. 9/11 is a quintessential Hegelian dialectic.

    You're the one (fallaciously) conflating thesis, antithesis, synthesis with Hegelian dialectic as explained above, as to control the narrative and thereby "win" an argument over a position that I'm not making. I never said Our Lord came up with the Hegelian dialectic to make Russia into a nation that accepts Him again. I merely pointed out Russia (promoting God) is the antithesis of former Soviet Union (denying God & persecuting Church). Then you try to conflate this with a Hegelian dialectic... as if this is my position. :laugh2: FAIL !! and very underhanded of you.


    No strawmen here, but your tinny reasoning rings hollow. You've proven to have no mind for the the real story in Russia and the Ukraine, no heart for supporting an openly anti-Catholic regime, and no courage to admit your bumbling mistakes. You're not in Kansas anymore! Russia is not "promoting God", their god is the Satanic Soviet and they are persecuting the Church almost to extinction. What a tremendous embarrassment you've caused yourself over all this.  

    Of course it never occurred to you the natural conclusions of your backward statements. You're not used to thinking that far ahead!

    Hegelian dialectic is the term commonly referred to describe the use of thesis/antithesis/synthesis. It's not associated with anything else.  Did you think you invented it yourself and can apply it willy-nilly? You then tried to pull back and use "antithesis" as simply an opposite of pre-1991 Soviet Russia (never mind the fact you actually went through the trouble to outline your Hegelian framework for it) and still fall flat on your face. In many ways as I have amply illustrated to you, it's even worse today. Russia is promoting a false god in a heretical religion. They abhor Catholicism so without the true faith, they don't have a true God.

    An anti-Catholic "Orthodox" God? Keep your vomit off my shoes.

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    Of course, you ignore the imperative point being made regarding 9/11 and who was really behind it in my last post, for this is the Litmus Test. You know that if you're confronted with such test, you would be forced to realize the truth of the matter. So your cognitive dissonance makes you run away yelling "blah blah blah blah" with your phalanges stuck in your ears.


    9/11 won't help you one bit. I ignored it because you're not framing it in the correct context. Fatima ought to be your litmus test. Compared to what is coming, it's a mere backyard squabble. Russia has positioned itself perfectly as the gatekeeper of the conspiracy to further seduce the public into a false sense of the real threat in the world. You think Russia and Israel are sworn enemies? Will you read anything without a bouncy ball on top?

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    for I'm now done with you.


    Good! No one asked for your filthy garbage Russian rhetoric. Crawl back to the compost heap you slithered out from under. Better luck next time, comrade!

    :heretic::heretic::heretic:

    Now back to the Monarch...
    Fortuna finem habet.


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    « Reply #35 on: December 11, 2014, 07:36:51 PM »
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    No strawmen here, but....


    Somebody pointed out to me the idiocy of your last post, and I really debated to myself whether I should respond, and I will respond with more truth.

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    ...no heart for supporting an openly anti-Catholic regime...


    Modern Russia is not opposed to Catholicism, rather they're opposed to the NWO Conciliar church that is a wolf in sheep's clothing, aligning her harlot self, behind closed doors, with war-mongering, zionist, usurious, culturally marxist, anti-Christ nations in the EU, and the US and Israel, while she spews typical abstract rhetoric with positive connotations, such as, "we must return to peace", designed to make herself look "righteous" to the many novus ordo catholics, and others in the West, who are lost in their diabolical disorientation.

    As for the rest of what you wrote in that paragraph, it needs no response because it's non substantive, illogical drivel packaged to make you sound "right". Another utter FAIL.  :laugh1:

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    Hegelian dialectic is the term commonly referred to describe the use of thesis/antithesis/synthesis. It's not associated with anything else.  Did you think you invented it yourself and can apply it willy-nilly? You then tried to pull back and use "antithesis" as simply an opposite of pre-1991 Soviet Russia (never mind the fact you actually went through the trouble to outline your Hegelian framework for it) and still fall flat on your face.


    You were the one who tried conflating Hegelian dialectic with my use of  "antithesis" (which is Russia) to the former Soviet Union. I used that term independently from Hegelian dialectic, but you, in your deceptive strawman argumentation, tried to bait me by declaring who was the thesis, and thus, what could be the synthesis? Naturally, anyone with some degree of cognition could see the answers to that (baited) question, but I answered the obvious anyway, and my answer was not in regard to a Hegelian dialectic. It was merely saying Russia is the antithesis of Soviet Union because the former promotes Our Lord, while the latter denied Him openly (thesis), and thus the synthesis can be the genesis of more God-loving and God-fearing people again in Russia. Moreover, these words and concepts - thesis, antithesis, synthesis - are NOT exclusive to Hegelian dialectic.

    You lose, again.  :laugh2:

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    Fatima ought to be your litmus test.


    I believe in Fatima. However, Catholics are not obligated to believe any apparition, rather these few apparitions are deemed by the Church to be believable, and contain no errors that contradict, nor could be harmful to, the Faith. Moreover, and again, Our Lady never specified how long "Russia will spread her errors". Your problem is you have a preconceived notion about what Our Lady was warning the world. And perhaps when this warning, apropos to Russia, comes to fruition, but doesn't match your little mind's preconceived notion, then you won't believe it. That is lack of Faith on your part! Objectively, we can see Russia has already spread those errors (see by previous comment), which includes infiltration of the U.S. and using the whore America as a proxy.  

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    You think Russia and Israel are sworn enemies?


    They sure aren't allies. Even back in the 60s of the Soviet Union, decades after Stalin was the biggest proponent of "Israel's" creation, they began to be at odds with each other, as reflected by a Soviet ship witnessing Israel attacking the USS Liberty, and when Israel realized they were spotted by the Soviets, they halted finishing the attack. Alas, almost 40 American sailors were still murdered by the perfidious jews, whose impetus for the attacks was to blame Egypt or Jordan, thus draw the U.S. into the war.

    And it's Putin's Russia who saved Syria from being overrun by Israeli (and U.S./Saudi) backed Muhammadan extremists, thus the Christian minority in Syria, who have always had protection by the Assads, were saved from being pillaged and raped.

    Look, buddy, why don't you go to "Catholic"Answers and seek out some fellow neocon anti-Russia bigoted slobs, and maybe you all can have a slumber party while you watch Red Dawn and stroke each others' confirmation bias.  :laugh2:

    By the way, are you some sort of perverted masochist? You seem to enjoy being destroyed every time in this polemic.  :surprised: Nevermind, don't answer... Anyway, to conclude this most truthful rebuttal which essentially annihilates your logical fallacies and lies, take heed to what Bishop Williamson says about modern day Russia and the possibility of Moscow becoming the 3rd Rome !

    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/cZ8qFLst1T0&feature=share[/youtube]

     
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    « Reply #36 on: December 11, 2014, 09:25:02 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:Cool story, tovarish! :dancing-banana:
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #37 on: December 12, 2014, 05:07:54 AM »
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  • If Russia today is anti-Catholic does this necessarily mean that it is still basically a Soviet state?  Could it not be the case that the rediscovery of Orthodoxy is the cause of Russia's present anti-Catholicism?

    Okay, this is only an anecdote, but I have a Russian Orthodox friend whose father was only 7 years old when forced to emigrate with his family following the Bolshevik Revolution.  This lady and her family a very anti-Catholic, as much as any Protestant.  They refer to the Pope as the 'Bishop of Rome' and my friend regularly makes jibes at the Church.

    My point is that Russia does not have to still be Communist to be anti-Catholic.  Being Orthodox is enough. Also, Russia was always fairly authoritarian, even before the Bolsheviks took over.  Perhaps they are just reverting to type, and see Putin as some kind of Czar figure, rather than as a reincarnation of Stalin.  

    Interestingly, Stalin also played on the image of of the all-powerful, Czar-like ruler of Russia in his propaganda. Perhaps what we are witnessing today, is Russia simply being Russia, Orthodox Russia though, not necessarily Soviet Russia.


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    « Reply #38 on: December 12, 2014, 07:05:21 AM »
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    If Russia today is anti-Catholic does this necessarily mean that it is still basically a Soviet state?  Could it not be the case that the rediscovery of Orthodoxy is the cause of Russia's present anti-Catholicism?

    Okay, this is only an anecdote, but I have a Russian Orthodox friend whose father was only 7 years old when forced to emigrate with his family following the Bolshevik Revolution.  This lady and her family a very anti-Catholic, as much as any Protestant.  They refer to the Pope as the 'Bishop of Rome' and my friend regularly makes jibes at the Church.

    My point is that Russia does not have to still be Communist to be anti-Catholic.  Being Orthodox is enough. Also, Russia was always fairly authoritarian, even before the Bolsheviks took over.  Perhaps they are just reverting to type, and see Putin as some kind of Czar figure, rather than as a reincarnation of Stalin.  

    Interestingly, Stalin also played on the image of of the all-powerful, Czar-like ruler of Russia in his propaganda. Perhaps what we are witnessing today, is Russia simply being Russia, Orthodox Russia though, not necessarily Soviet Russia.


    When I say Soviet and Communist Russia, I am mostly referring to the continuity of the government. I don't know how far the ideology really holds with the proles, but let's just say it goes far enough so that over 1 out of 2 marriages end in divorce, 1 abortion for every 2 live births, and population growth completely reliant on a minimal amount of immigrants... Usury is alive and well... Dash Cams are so prevalent because of the danger of being sued by their fellow countrymen from throwing themselves onto the hoods of cars to claim injury... Even out of the majority of "Orthodox", only about 1% go to church on a regular. They aren't a religious people. They no longer need to be forced to accept Marxist/Leninist rule because they have it written in their hearts.

    Like most countries, they seem gravitate toward anything that bolsters national pride and that unfortunately includes the glory days of (outward) Soviet Russia. If they haven't realized what a horror show they're endorsing, it's due to a thorough lack of Catholic sensibility. To a large extent they are an enigma to me, but then so are my fellow US citizens these days.

    Ironically, I never expected to find myself having to explain on a trad Catholic forum why it isn't enough to merely say "Lord, Lord" to be considered Christian. That the "Orthodox" and divorcee Putin claim to defend Christian values doesn't phase me anymore than Bush or any other Protestant based "Christian" when they do it. Even from the beginning, the Soviets didn't dismantle the structure of those churches they felt they could get the most use out of. They no longer even need to worry about purging Catholics out of Russia; at .1% of the population all the damage has been done already. Look for continuing open purges in Crimea and soon to be re-acquired Ukraine.

    I'll have to open up a new thread just for Russia, as too many people including Trads apparently, are holding them up like some sort of shining Bastion of Christianity. I assure you this is not the case.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #39 on: December 12, 2014, 07:07:41 AM »
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  • To sum up, no Russia doesn't have to be Communist to be anti-Catholic. They're Communist because that's the power structure the forerunner of the antichrist has chosen (and God has permitted) to persecute the Church in our present age.
    Fortuna finem habet.

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    « Reply #40 on: December 15, 2014, 08:24:47 AM »
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  • Now that the dust has settled a bit, I would like to apologize for the sharp words I used in ascent's direction. It only took a few perceived taunts to set me off where I ought to have ignored it and since I'm no shrinking violet, the rest is history. So for my part in the ad hominem back and forth, I am sorry.

    However, I take nothing back what I said about Russia and I dearly hope many of you who believe Russia is not a threat or part of the current antichrist World Order, will change your minds and reconsider.
    Fortuna finem habet.


     

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