"Without qualification" means that one has made a statement which admits of no exception nor consideration of the subject under a different aspect.
Scratching my head here, Emile... Roger's paper is clearly discussing the restoration and resurrection of the Catholic Church. That's what I addressed in my comments.
What other aspect could there possibly be?
So the statement, "She cannot, or will not ever endure any kind of suffering", applied with no qualification, to the entirety of the Church, is clearly incorrect.
In one of my posts, I posed several questions to you and other posters who believe the Church can suffer. Why not address those and we can discuss.
Now in the context of this thread I'm sure that you are thinking of the Church Militant and whether She can endure suffering.
You are incorrect, I'm not thinking of the Church Militant.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the confusion seems to be over the definition of the term 'suffering' and what it implies.
This is incorrect also. I started off my initial comments discussing how we need to be particular and specific when we discuss the Church. Hence the reason I posted the teachings,
about the Church, from the popes. You haven't addressed any of the popes teachings either...
The common definition is 'to experience or be subjected to something bad or unpleasant'. You seem to hold that 'suffering' always implies an imperfection but I don't think that, rightly understood, it does.
If you were to look at my reply to Miser Peccator you will see that I have a greater understanding of the word suffer. Did you read any of my posts before replying to me?
Our Lord truly suffered, yet was, is, and always will be, perfect. Our Blessed Mother suffered, but who can find a fault in her? Is our Lord's Church greater than Her Master?
You also said the Church may be obscured, much like our Lord's divinity was obscured during the passion...
Eimle - "But, just like our Lord in His passion, Her Divine character may be obscured for a time..."You never addressed the quote from Pope Gregory XIV, who explicitly teaches the opposite. Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, #10
Therefore, it is obviously absurd and injurious to propose a certain “restoration and regeneration” for her as though necessary for her safety and growth, as if she could be considered subject to defect or obscuration or other misfortune.On to the Baltimore Catechism....
The Church Militant, Suffering, and Triumphant are referring to the members of the Catholic Church. Which, of course, are susceptible to suffering, exception being made of the Triumphant, who have indeed suffered in the world but now rejoice with Almighty God in heaven.
You have reduced the Church to a human institution...which is grievous and pernicious error, according to Pope Leo XIII.
Pope Leo XIII, Satis CognitumFrom this it follows that those who arbitrarily conjure up and picture to themselves a hidden and invisible Church are in grievous and pernicious error:
as also are those who regard the Church as a human institution...".
If you would like to go back and address the teachings from the popes, please do so, I'd appreciate the discussion.
I wonder if you actually took the time to review my posts...