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Offline Tradycja

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The SSPXs attitude towards "Feeneyites"
« on: August 11, 2010, 09:16:53 PM »
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  • I am going to dare to ask a question here that I hope will not get me kicked off of this board.  My intention is not to badmouth any SSPX-er on this board.  

    Here it goes----

    Why does the SSPX treat the Feeneyites so badly?   I mean seriously they even had something on their website that the issue cannot be promoted on their premises.   And then of course there is Fr. Laisney's book....

    I mean, for me, BECOMING a Feeneyite was what helped and caused me to understand and even sympathize with the SSPX and their crusade against modernism.  Before that I held the line that the typical EWTN crowd holds about the SSPX (schismatic, etc).

    It's kind of unfortunate that the SSPX does so much to fight against modernism, but they do not fight against the point on which the modernists have gained their greatest victory- undermining the salvation dogma.  


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    « Reply #1 on: August 11, 2010, 09:41:22 PM »
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  • Links to the things you're referring to would be helpful.
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    « Reply #2 on: August 11, 2010, 09:55:59 PM »
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  • Just because SSPX doesn't agree with their denial of BOB and BOD, doesn't mean they are treating them badly.  
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    « Reply #3 on: August 11, 2010, 10:33:13 PM »
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    Links to the things you're referring to would be helpful.


    I think that it would be Fr. Laisney's book "Is Sedevacantism Catholic?" and the saintly Archbishop Lefebvre's own words that non-Catholics can be saved. He says plainly in his Open Letter that non-Catholics can be saved, not by the merits of their own religion he says, but through the Catholic Church.




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    The SSPXs attitude towards "Feeneyites"
    « Reply #4 on: August 12, 2010, 06:51:57 AM »
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  • I refer to the article in this newsletter:

    http://www.sspx.org/RCRpdfs/2001_rcrs/may_2001_rcr.pdf
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    « Reply #5 on: August 12, 2010, 06:52:47 AM »
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  • And by the way the book is called "Is Feeneyism Catholic?"

    Most Feeneyites are not sedevacantist.
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    The SSPXs attitude towards "Feeneyites"
    « Reply #6 on: August 12, 2010, 07:02:30 AM »
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    Just because SSPX doesn't agree with their denial of BOB and BOD, doesn't mean they are treating them badly.  


    Yes, but the same authorities that the SSPX-ers quote to prove that they are not schismatic and that people may fufill their Sunday obligation at their Masses, are the same authorities that approve 3 Feeneyite communities and allow them to hold the so-called "strict" interpretation of EENS.  

    Additionally, the SSPX argues that Monsignor Lefebvre was not validly excommunicated.  How can they not see the problems with Fr. Feeney's "excommunication"?

    Why the Church has allowed two doctrines BOD/BOB which contradict the necessity of water baptism to exist for so many years is because BOD/BOB was never really used to deny EENS as they are now.  Additionally, I think the Church always had bigger problems to deal with then to determine whether this theological speculation as to BOB/BOD was correct.  

    Anyway, I have been in contact with an SSPX-er from France and he says that in the European SSPX it is a different ball game.  I think that is positive because I really hope the SSPX becomes a Personal Prelature.  
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    « Reply #7 on: August 12, 2010, 08:09:41 AM »
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    Most Feeneyites are not sedevacantist.


    Yes, many sedevacantists keep trying to point that out when they get lumped together with Feeneyites!  :smirk:


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    The SSPXs attitude towards "Feeneyites"
    « Reply #8 on: August 13, 2010, 12:07:44 PM »
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    I am going to dare to ask a question here that I hope will not get me kicked off of this board.  My intention is not to badmouth any SSPX-er on this board.  

    Here it goes----

    Why does the SSPX treat the Feeneyites so badly?   I mean seriously they even had something on their website that the issue cannot be promoted on their premises.   And then of course there is Fr. Laisney's book....

    I mean, for me, BECOMING a Feeneyite was what helped and caused me to understand and even sympathize with the SSPX and their crusade against modernism.  Before that I held the line that the typical EWTN crowd holds about the SSPX (schismatic, etc).

    It's kind of unfortunate that the SSPX does so much to fight against modernism, but they do not fight against the point on which the modernists have gained their greatest victory- undermining the salvation dogma.  


    I'm not a Feeneyite, but I do respect Father Feeney for pointing out just how bad Americanism was in the Church.

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    the saintly Archbishop Lefebvre's own words that non-Catholics can be saved. He says plainly in his Open Letter that non-Catholics can be saved, not by the merits of their own religion he says, but through the Catholic Church.


    Yes, but has anyone ever come across these non-Catholics who have never committed a mortal sin in their life? You won't find them, because they don't exist. The natural man's will isn't the same as ours.
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    The SSPXs attitude towards "Feeneyites"
    « Reply #9 on: August 13, 2010, 12:37:35 PM »
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    I'm not a Feeneyite, but I do respect Father Feeney for pointing out just how bad Americanism was in the Church.


    He certainly did stand up to some rotten clerics.

    Unfortunately the Feeneyite phenomenon seems to be especially American, and Feeneyites tend to accept many aspects of the culture compared to other traditional Catholics.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 13, 2010, 06:00:50 PM »
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    I'm not a Feeneyite, but I do respect Father Feeney for pointing out just how bad Americanism was in the Church.


    He certainly did stand up to some rotten clerics.

    Unfortunately the Feeneyite phenomenon seems to be especially American, and Feeneyites tend to accept many aspects of the culture compared to other traditional Catholics.


    I wouldn't say that all Feeneyites are like that. I have come across some that are not. However there are some who are like as you say, especially ones on sites like FE. They are essentially nominalist (Ockham's razor) Feeneyites such that they tend to be almost indifferent about things not concerning EENS.
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    « Reply #11 on: August 13, 2010, 11:22:51 PM »
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    And by the way the book is called "Is Feeneyism Catholic?"

    Most Feeneyites are not sedevacantist.


    Yes, that is correct.