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The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
« on: December 19, 2023, 07:10:39 PM »
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  • Communiqué from the Superior General of the SSPX | FSSPX News

    https://fsspx.news/en/news/communique-superior-general-sspx-41522
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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #1 on: December 19, 2023, 07:27:20 PM »
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  • It is a naturalistic and defeatist spirit that loosely aligns itself with the spirit of the world, the enemy of God. This is one more surrender and subjugation to the world, on the part of the liberal and modernist hierarchy, which since the Second Vatican Council has been at the service of the Revolution inside and outside the church.

    Good to hear. Perhaps his compatriot, Archbishop Vigano, is giving him courage. He might have mentioned the flesh and the devil in there as well. The men of the Church blessing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions... that is more than just alignment with the world, it is utterly diabolical.


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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #2 on: December 19, 2023, 11:07:39 PM »
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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #3 on: December 20, 2023, 02:32:29 AM »
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  • Will the SSPX not be forced to do these blessings?

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #4 on: December 20, 2023, 04:24:16 AM »
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  • You will know them by their fruit or rotten fruits. 

    It’s a election year in USA and Bergolio just served satan.  His whole pontiff has been about serving satan by promoting sodomy, false gods and goddesses, communism, cremations.  Pagan Cremation for laity but for king Bergolio buried with holy men.  

    we are being persecuted from within. At many traditional chapels there are already sodomite clergy and laity.  There is a small percentage and growing. 

    It’s advent and it’s about Jesus. 

    Our focus should be on Jesus Christ during advent.


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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #5 on: December 20, 2023, 05:26:30 AM »
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  • It is a naturalistic and defeatist spirit that loosely aligns itself with the spirit of the world, the enemy of God. This is one more surrender and subjugation to the world, on the part of the liberal and modernist hierarchy, which since the Second Vatican Council has been at the service of the Revolution inside and outside the church.

    Good to hear. Perhaps his compatriot, Archbishop Vigano, is giving him courage. He might have mentioned the flesh and the devil in there as well. The men of the Church blessing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions... that is more than just alignment with the world, it is utterly diabolical.
    I don't know PV, yes it's good they said something, but man, what a lame response imo. He had a perfect opportunity to give a scathing response befitting the occasion, but instead limped out what amounts to little more than a squeak, again imo.
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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #6 on: December 20, 2023, 07:55:45 AM »
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  • I don't know PV, yes it's good they said something, but man, what a lame response imo. He had a perfect opportunity to give a scathing response befitting the occasion, but instead limped out what amounts to little more than a squeak, again imo.

    Yes, it does seem rather weak, weaker almost than the Cardinals who submitted their initial "dubia" regarding the matter.  It would in fact be a disgrace had the SSPX said nothing while a handful of Conciliar Cardinals did ... so this is the LEAST they could do to continue pretending that they're still Traditional Catholic.

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #7 on: December 20, 2023, 08:15:22 AM »
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  • Good to hear. Perhaps his compatriot, Archbishop Vigano, is giving him courage.

    See, when people are pleasantly surprised that the SSPX would object to the blessing/promotion of sodomy by Bergoglio, that speaks volumes about where the neo-SSPX have been headed.  Even JP2 Wojtyla would have gone this far.


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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #8 on: December 20, 2023, 10:40:20 AM »
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  • It Is A Time For Choosing!

    Fr. Pagliarani should be more than a little "dismayed".  He should be outraged that the supposed Pope of the Roman Catholic Church has promulgated a Declaration contrary to Sacred Scripture, to the teaching of Tradition, moral law, and natural law.

    What has the Superior General directed the priests of the Society to DO?  He should boldly and clearly tell them to say No to these blasphemous blessings.  He should tell them that the SSPX will provide them the attorneys and funds for legal expenses sufficient to protect them for YEARS of litigation.

    If the alphabet fiends can pursue one baker in Colorado for years and spend millions of dollars to wreak his business and his life over a CAKE, what do they have in store for SSPX priests?  How do you defend yourself in court when the man you say is your Pope is on the side of the Plaintiff?  Lawsuits in the US for discrimination and arrests in Canada, Germany, etc. are the future.

    Dear Rev. Fr. Pagliarani,
    Once again, as with the "jab", it is time to choose!  Do you direct your priests and the faithful of the SSPX to say a resounding "NO!" to this "Declaration of Abomination", or do you choose to meekly follow Bergoglio and Tucho into Hell?


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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #9 on: December 20, 2023, 11:01:05 AM »
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  • Dear Rev. Fr. Pagliarani,
    Once again, as with the "jab", it is time to choose!

    It would appear that he has chosen ... chosen not to choose because he's maintaining a delicate balance between continuing to present SSPX as a Traditional Catholic group and not ruffling Bergoglio's feathers and thereby jeopardizing whatever agreements they have in place and continue to work toward.  He does the bare minimum that he thinks is required to keep up the appearances of fighting Modernism, so the SSPX pew-sitters don't wake up.

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #10 on: December 20, 2023, 11:56:28 AM »
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  • What has the Superior General directed the priests of the Society to DO?  He should boldly and clearly tell them to say No to these blasphemous blessings.  He should tell them that the SSPX will provide them the attorneys and funds for legal expenses sufficient to protect them for YEARS of litigation.
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    Oh, I highly doubt any SSPX priests are going to be blessing sodomite or illicit unions (apart from annullees, but that's another issue). That seems extremely unlikely to me.


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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #11 on: December 20, 2023, 12:05:06 PM »
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  • Man, the statement is weaker than that of the archdiocese of Astana, Kazakhstan... (whose ‘Auxiliary Bishop’ Athanasius Schneider may very well be controlled opposition)


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    Statement of the Archdiocese of Saint Mary in Astana regarding the Declaration Fiducia supplicans, published by the Dicastery of the Doctrine of Faith and approved by Pope Francis on December 18, 2023

    The manifest purpose of the Declaration of the Holy See, Fiducia supplicans, is to allow “the possibility of blessing couples in irregular situations and same-sex couples”. At the same time, the docuмent insists that such blessings are performed “without officially validating their status or changing in any way the Church’s perennial teaching on marriage”.
    The fact that the docuмent does not give permission for the “marriage” of same-sex couples should not blind pastors and faithful to the great deception and the evil that resides in the very permission to bless couples in irregular situations and same-sex couples. Such a blessing directly and seriously contradicts Divine Revelation and the uninterrupted, bimillennial doctrine and practice of the Catholic Church. To bless couples in an irregular situation and same-sex couples is a serious abuse of the most Holy Name of God, since this name is invoked upon an objectively sinful union of adultery or of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activity.
    Therefore, none, not even the most beautiful, of the statements contained in this Declaration of the Holy See, can minimize the far-reaching and destructive consequences resulting from this effort to legitimize such blessings. With such blessings, the Catholic Church becomes, if not in theory, then in practice, a propagandist of the globalist and ungodly “gender ideology”.
    As successors of the Apostles, and faithful to our solemn oath on the occasion of our episcopal consecration “to preserve the deposit of faith in purity and integrity, according to the tradition always and everywhere observed in the Church since the time of the Apostles”, we exhort and prohibit priests and the faithful of the Archdiocese of Saint Mary in Astana from accepting or performing any form of blessing whatsoever of couples in an irregular situation and same-sex couples. It goes without saying that every sincerely repentant sinner with the firm intention to no longer sin and to put an end to his public sinful situation (such as, e.g., cohabitation outside of a canonically valid marriage, union between people of the same sex) can receive a blessing.
    With sincere brotherly love, and with due respect, we address Pope Francis, who – by allowing the blessing of couples in an irregular situation and same-sex couples – “does not walk uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel” (see Gal. 2:14), to borrow the words with which Saint Paul the Apostle publicly admonished the first Pope in Antioch. Therefore, in the spirit of episcopal collegiality, we ask Pope Francis to revoke the permission to bless couples in an irregular situation and same-sex couples, so that the Catholic Church may shine clearly as the “pillar and ground of the truth” (1 Tim 3:15) for all those who sincerely seek to know the will of God and, by fulfilling it, to attain eternal life.
    Astana, 19 December 2023
    + Tomash Peta, Metropolitan Archbishop of the Archdiocese of Saint Mary in Astana
    + Athanasius Schneider, Auxiliary Bishop of the Archdiocese of Saint Mary in Astana


    Talk about “convoluted language and sophistical dressing-up”!! (Fr. Pagliarani)

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #12 on: December 20, 2023, 12:21:16 PM »
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    Oh, I highly doubt any SSPX priests are going to be blessing sodomite or illicit unions (apart from annullees, but that's another issue). That seems extremely unlikely to me.
    True, plus (as of now) the "blessings" are up to each bishop, that is why Bishop Peta and Schinder are able to forbid it in their diocese. 

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #13 on: December 20, 2023, 01:54:51 PM »
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    Oh, I highly doubt any SSPX priests are going to be blessing sodomite or illicit unions (apart from annullees, but that's another issue). That seems extremely unlikely to me.
    Dear Yeti,  That is exactly why they are going to need attorneys and legal expenses money to answer the lawsuits for discrimination in the USA.

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #14 on: December 20, 2023, 02:54:59 PM »
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  • I don't know PV, yes it's good they said something, but man, what a lame response imo. He had a perfect opportunity to give a scathing response befitting the occasion, but instead limped out what amounts to little more than a squeak, again imo.

    Agreed. "Squeaks" seem to be the best that they can do. Kind of amazing that they said anything at all, but they needn't have bothered. Archbishop Lefebvre would have given them (Rome) what-for, I'm sure. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29