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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2023, 03:43:04 PM »
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    Offline Plenus Venter

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #16 on: December 20, 2023, 04:50:18 PM »
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  • Agreed. "Squeaks" seem to be the best that they can do. Kind of amazing that they said anything at all, but they needn't have bothered. Archbishop Lefebvre would have given them (Rome) what-for, I'm sure.
    Yes, I totally agree with all the above comments. Menzingen's protests, which are few and far between, are always expressed so calmly, so serenely, out of all due proportion to the monstrous and diabolical darings of this Pope. The SSPX ought to marching on Rome. As is said above, he says enough to maintain a facade of traditionalism to deceive those who want to be deceived. We see this same kind of calm and gentle criticism from New Bishop Huonder, lacking all due measure and holy indignation. It is what one would expect of a Freemason, in fact, if he had infiltrated the SSPX and wanted to destroy it. I'm not saying Fr Pagliarani or Bishop Huonder are Freemasons, but there can be no doubt they are in the SSPX and largely responsible for its new direction.

    We can judge all these interventions of the Superior General in light of what Bishop Fellay declared in an interview over 10 years ago, now: "Rome has asked that we criticise less, and I agree". Extraordinary words. The enemy asked me to put down my weapons so he could walk all over me and I agreed. I'm a lover not a fighter after all. I'm the new SSPX.


    Offline TKGS

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #17 on: December 20, 2023, 04:52:29 PM »
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  • The will just resist harder!  :laugh2:

    Offline Meg

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #18 on: December 20, 2023, 05:08:25 PM »
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  • The will just resist harder!  :laugh2:

    How does someone "resist harder"? That doesn't make sense.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #19 on: December 20, 2023, 05:36:01 PM »
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  • How does someone "resist harder"? That doesn't make sense.
    To be historically forgotten to history would be to do the bare minimum,  protect Faith and morals.   The Vatican II religion struck out.  


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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #20 on: December 20, 2023, 05:57:09 PM »
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  • To be historically forgotten to history would be to do the bare minimum,  protect Faith and morals.  The Vatican II religion struck out. 

    I still don't understand how someone is supposed to "resist harder." What does that mean? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Offline Kolar

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #21 on: December 20, 2023, 07:32:24 PM »
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  • Does not the SSPX already bless sinful unions? Do they not accept invalid annulments from the local bishop and bless adulterous unions?

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #22 on: December 20, 2023, 11:42:19 PM »
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  • Does not the SSPX already bless sinful unions? Do they not accept invalid annulments from the local bishop and bless adulterous unions?
    I'm not aware, is that a fact? My experience with the old SSPX was to the contrary which I witnessed on more than one occasion, absolutely guided by sound principles on this matter. They also had the St Charles Borromeo Commission set up to investigate the Conciliar annulments. It would not surprise, though, since there is a gradual drift of the neo-SSPX towards recognition of things conciliar.


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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #23 on: December 21, 2023, 03:46:52 AM »
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  • I still don't understand how someone is supposed to "resist harder." What does that mean?
    It is poking fun at people that are always losing battles yet never change their tactics. It’s like the people after the 2020 election who still think voting is the solution. “We just need to vote harder next time”

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #24 on: December 21, 2023, 08:05:59 AM »
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  • It is poking fun at people that are always losing battles yet never change their tactics. It’s like the people after the 2020 election who still think voting is the solution. “We just need to vote harder next time”

    Basically, it is certain sedevacantists putting other traditional Catholics down, and trying to make them look stupid, right? Same old SV tactics.

    Still, no one can really resist harder, which is why I wanted to know how resisting harder is supposed to be done. We already resist error, as Stubborn has pointed out many times, just as Scripture tells us to do.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #25 on: December 21, 2023, 08:43:33 AM »
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  • I still don't understand how someone is supposed to "resist harder." What does that mean?

    It's actually a very clever characterization of the situation.  It's implying that the more error Bergoglio teaches, the more it's just a difference of degree vs. a difference of kind, and that there's no actual threshold that can be crossed before a "red line" has been crossed where Bergoglio is no longer a Catholic.  It also speaks to the "boil the frog" approach, where you change by small degrees that are not noticeable.  Bergoglio's right-hand-man, the "kissy" guy Fernandez who's now in charge of the Office formerly known as (and formerly) Holy, admits that it's Bergoglio's conscious strategy, to move in small steps so that his progress becomes irreversible.  You take a small step, acclimate everyone to it, to the point that people no longer object to it, and then you take the next step.


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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #26 on: December 21, 2023, 08:45:49 AM »
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  • Basically, it is certain sedevacantists putting other traditional Catholics down, and trying to make them look stupid, right? Same old SV tactics.

    Still, no one can really resist harder, which is why I wanted to know how resisting harder is supposed to be done. We already resist error, as Stubborn has pointed out many times, just as Scripture tells us to do.

    It's rightfully "putting down" the R&R position.  If anyone employs the tactic of making gratuitous drive-by insults without any substance, it's you.  This "resist harder" expression is a very concise and cleverly pithy expression of the problem that SVs have with the R&R position, in principle.

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #27 on: December 21, 2023, 08:46:58 AM »
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  • Homoerotic singer ...

    Seems that this is right up Bergoglio's alley.

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #28 on: December 21, 2023, 09:03:50 AM »
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  • It's rightfully "putting down" the R&R position.  If anyone employs the tactic of making gratuitous drive-by insults without any substance, it's you.  This "resist harder" expression is a very concise and cleverly pithy expression of the problem that SVs have with the R&R position, in principle.

    It's quite funny that SV's are trying to tell us how to resist, when they believe that we are not supposed to resist a valid pope.

    I suppose that because SV's, such as yourself, believe themselves to be superior to pretty much everyone, so they can tell us how we are supposed to resist. You call it clever and concise; I call it arrogant. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: The SSPX responds to Fiducia supplicans
    « Reply #29 on: December 21, 2023, 09:07:30 AM »
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  • Basically, it is certain sedevacantists putting other traditional Catholics down, and trying to make them look stupid, right? Same old SV tactics.

    Still, no one can really resist harder, which is why I wanted to know how resisting harder is supposed to be done. We already resist error, as Stubborn has pointed out many times, just as Scripture tells us to do.
    If Francis only wore LGBT rainbow vestments, would we simply photoshop papal garb on him before his picture is hung up in the vestibule?