Author Topic: The SSPX - Resistance is superior to sedevacantism (Read 25952 times)

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #40 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:29:51 AM »

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It's lean times for everyone, but I can just imagine how bone dry it must be for the average SV. My heart goes out to them a bit. Though, when I first started going to an SSPX chapel, I was amazed at how many SVs didn't actually go to Mass but hung out in the basement and get into arguments with anyone who would listen.

Trying to figure out if you are bragging or complaining about people who hold to the SV position are attending Mass at YOUR chapel. Sounds a bit exclusive!

Also confused about your remark after stating the SV attend Mass but now you say they don't attend Mass just hang out in the basement and argue with whom? Are they arguing with the SSPX people, and why are the SSPX people not attending Mass instead of arguing with the SV folks. Where do you go to Mass anyway or is this a joke?

Sorry but you lost me. Don't take it personal, I confuse easily especially when I try to understand SSPX today!

The basement is where people can gather before, after, or in between Masses if they so choose. It's what passes for socializing. And yes there were men who only hung out there and would hit people up with a barrage of arguments about why there is no Pope, yet they couldn't bring themselves to go to any Masses. I don't see this much at my chapel anymore thankfully, but we have lost a ton of good people since 2012. Small wonder that!

There's two ways that a sede can lose their ability to truly criticize R&R, and that is to attend non-sede Masses or to generally camp out or squat in non-sede venues with the sole purpose of arguing others into a home-aloner type situation. Of course I have issues theologically with the position and that's why I won't be going to an SV church anytime soon, but I do hope the situation turns around so that one day the well-intentioned of us can once again meet at the same places in unity and peace.

Otherwise, they're stuck going to Masses with an antipope in the Una cuм. I would imagine that would be pretty tough for a sede bent against all compromise. But then you have the ultra hardline Dimond Bros. who attend VII-aligned Eastern Rite Masses. 100% dogmatic Sedevacantism is about as exclusive as one can possibly get. If you're not there yet, take this as a heads up. Nothing more nothing less.

First and foremost, I have an issue with these major hypocrite dogmatic sedes who use everybody else's infrastructure to do very little else but argue and complain... about said infrastructure. I more than understand and have sympathy for those who are so scandalized by the current situation that they can't help but hold the opinion. The problem always comes in when they insist on ripping into the R&R thing like it's completely off base. It's really hard to listen to that when they literally have no place to call their own. That being said, every SSPX chapel is one liberal priest away from disaster.

I have my own take on the situation, but I know it really doesn't matter until the Church hierarchy rights itself. How far can the Church be co-opted without defecting? How long can we go without a Pope who would give his life for the Faith? I don't know and I don't want to find out!

For SV's every year that passes brings about another dilemma about the pool of Cardinals who might be eligible if they converted and came out of retirement to hold a conclave. Either way, we're all floating out there hoping a waterfall isn't just around the bend. We can hear the roar of the rapids and no one is too far to remain unaffected. This isn't a situation one can ever afford to be too overconfident. It's the capital "C" Crisis, and short of the Antichrist himself, it's the worst possible situation the Church has ever faced.

It's easy to forget how leaving all this up to private judgment is not how it normally ought to be. We need our Pope and our Bishops to do their job and start sorting out the various theological issues that have flooded the our "safe" little life rafts. I don't have all the answers to this, but we've been listing for a long time and we're only going to take on more water until the capital "R" Restoration. We need a major miracle. Or two. Or twenty-two. We need the Fatima Pope, the Angelic Shepherd and the GCM to name a few.

SVs going to a valid Mass does not somehow undermine the fact that a public heretic can't be Pope. It is an odd way to discredit SVs. It is not like the want the only Priest available to them to publicly teach it is okay not to submit to a valid "pope".

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #41 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:31:13 AM »

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It's lean times for everyone, but I can just imagine how bone dry it must be for the average SV. My heart goes out to them a bit. Though, when I first started going to an SSPX chapel, I was amazed at how many SVs didn't actually go to Mass but hung out in the basement and get into arguments with anyone who would listen.

Trying to figure out if you are bragging or complaining about people who hold to the SV position are attending Mass at YOUR chapel. Sounds a bit exclusive!

Also confused about your remark after stating the SV attend Mass but now you say they don't attend Mass just hang out in the basement and argue with whom? Are they arguing with the SSPX people, and why are the SSPX people not attending Mass instead of arguing with the SV folks. Where do you go to Mass anyway or is this a joke?

Sorry but you lost me. Don't take it personal, I confuse easily especially when I try to understand SSPX today!

The basement is where people can gather before, after, or in between Masses if they so choose. It's what passes for socializing. And yes there were men who only hung out there and would hit people up with a barrage of arguments about why there is no Pope, yet they couldn't bring themselves to go to any Masses. I don't see this much at my chapel anymore thankfully, but we have lost a ton of good people since 2012. Small wonder that!

There's two ways that a sede can lose their ability to truly criticize R&R, and that is to attend non-sede Masses or to generally camp out or squat in non-sede venues with the sole purpose of arguing others into a home-aloner type situation.

I do not attend a non-sede mass nor do I seek low hanging fruit which to convince conclavism.

In fact, I greatly admire Bishop Williamson. The man went through Hell regarding the magic number, several countries banned him, exiled (under orders by the future Nope) from Argentina, he is a household name synonymous with nαzι. He is now verboten.

No other R&R high priest has the above qualifications. The man is the real deal.

If the more serious Sedevacantist bishops had a platform like Bp. Williamson did at the time to interview with mainstream networks, they would also be regarded as nαzι's by ʝʊdɛօ-masonic standards. But since they don't recognize Francis to be the Vicar of Christ on Earth, well, they are regarded as bishops of runaway catholic sects. They don't even make the label "Ultra-conservative wing" of the Church like the SSPX does.

But I digress, majority of sede's are not dogmatic.
CMRI in the US and "Foundation St. Vincent Ferrer" in Mexico come to mind as non-dogmatic, serious, larger SV congregations.

The Faith is not about arguable historical "facts". The SV Bishops I believe would die for the FAITH just as I hope Williamson would.

TKGS · « **Reply #42 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:40:59 AM »

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Though, when I first started going to an SSPX chapel, I was amazed at how many SVs didn't actually go to Mass but hung out in the basement and get into arguments with anyone who would listen.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that sedevacantists drove to your SSPX chapel in order to NOT go to Mass.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #43 on:** July 13, 2016, 05:44:33 AM »

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Though, when I first started going to an SSPX chapel, I was amazed at how many SVs didn't actually go to Mass but hung out in the basement and get into arguments with anyone who would listen.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that sedevacantists drove to your SSPX chapel in order to NOT go to Mass.

Yeah. That seemed odd to me. But we can't know for sure. Some feel it is their duty to "instruct the ignorant". Others, I guess, like to wreck things and cause trouble. But it is difficult for me to believe as well.

Believe it or not I have gone to indult Mass parking lots and put Dimond brother videos on people's windows. Obviously not now. Why lead them from one error to another. I wish others he did not hold heresy were as good as them at making convincing videos.

Croixalist · « **Reply #44 on:** July 13, 2016, 07:26:02 AM »

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Though, when I first started going to an SSPX chapel, I was amazed at how many SVs didn't actually go to Mass but hung out in the basement and get into arguments with anyone who would listen.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that sedevacantists drove to your SSPX chapel in order to NOT go to Mass.

Our chapel, when it was filled beyond capacity every Sunday, used to have a fairly large meet-ups downstairs after Mass. My guess is that some of these guys turned sede at some point during their time there but didn't want to leave behind the Church's community. I never really got to know them that well anyway.

TLM has a higher percentage of attracting shall we say "intense" personalities. Some of these people aren't the most stable you've ever met. Just last year, I saw a man sitting on a bench across the street from the Church and he was visibly shaking like he was physically ill. I asked him if he was alright and he asked me if our priest had been validly ordained. I said yes, but he just sat there and didn't come in.

I'm only stating the facts, I can't answer for them!