Author Topic: The SSPX - Resistance is superior to sedevacantism (Read 25930 times)

Sbyvl · « **Reply #25 on:** July 12, 2016, 06:44:51 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: MyrnaM
Are you trying to convince the sedevacantist or yourself with this topic?

Just curious!

Convince others, of course.

Here is a parable, which kind of explains why I get upset when people attack the OLD SSPX, on this Resistance-friendly forum that regularly bashes the neo-SSPX:

John's mother, at the age of 60, decided to divorce her husband of 40 years and run off with a younger man, who also happens to be much more adventurous than her old husband ever was. Their first marriage was in the Catholic church, and certainly valid.

John was complaining about this to a few friends and coworkers of his, how this causes all kinds of problems for him, especially now that he has children of his own.

One of his co-workers pipes up, "yeah, your mother always was a whore, wasn't she!".

John punches the co-worker in the face for talking about his mother that way.

The co-worker, in disbelief, and wiping a bit of blood off his lips with his right sleeve, bellows out,

"Why did you hit me for? You're complaining about your mother. I'm on YOUR side, against her, right?"

John explains: "No, you're not. I'm complaining about a fall that took place when she was 60 years old. She married my father with all good intentions 40 years ago. She was faithful to him all those years. Until she went crazy recently, I had nothing to reproach her about. You suggest that she was always a whore, and that simply isn't true!"

That story is cute and all, but it doesn't change the fact that a public heretic is barred by divine law from attaining the papacy.

Matto · « **Reply #26 on:** July 12, 2016, 06:46:42 PM »

In my time in the traditional Catholic world I have met many SVs who go to una-cuм Francis Masses whether they be SSPX, independent or eastern rite. I even met sedevacantists who take active part in una-cuм Francis Masses by being in roles like the cantor. And I met one person who was a SV who actually worked for the Novus Ordo by being the musical director for the Novus Ordo Masses. I think this is strange. I think the non-una cuм position makes more sense if one is an SV even though most SVs that I know of do not hold this position and are willing to go to una-cuм Francis Masses.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #27 on:** July 12, 2016, 06:48:02 PM »

Quote from: Croixalist

It's lean times for everyone, but I can just imagine how bone dry it must be for the average SV. My heart goes out to them a bit. Though, when I first started going to an SSPX chapel, I was amazed at how many SVs didn't actually go to Mass but hung out in the basement and get into arguments with anyone who would listen.

Trying to figure out if you are bragging or complaining about people who hold to the SV position are attending Mass at YOUR chapel. Sounds a bit exclusive!

Also confused about your remark after stating the SV attend Mass but now you say they don't attend Mass just hang out in the basement and argue with whom? Are they arguing with the SSPX people, and why are the SSPX people not attending Mass instead of arguing with the SV folks. Where do you go to Mass anyway or is this a joke?

Sorry but you lost me. Don't take it personal, I confuse easily especially when I try to understand SSPX today!

I am also confused about who are the OLD SSPX and the New SSPX, it seems the OLD should be the ones who are Keeping the Faith, and the New SSPX are the ones that are going toward the New Church, is that correct? Or is it the other way around?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2016, 06:53:42 PM »

Quote from: Matto

In my time in the traditional Catholic world I have met many SVs who go to una-cuм Francis Masses whether they be SSPX, independent or eastern rite. I even met sedevacantists who take active part in una-cuм Francis Masses by being in roles like the cantor. And I met one person who was a SV who actually worked for the Novus Ordo by being the musical director for the Novus Ordo Masses. I think this is strange. I think the non-una cuм position makes more sense if one is an SV even though most SVs that I know of do not hold this position and are willing to go to una-cuм Francis Masses.

At Mount St. Michael we have parents that are SSPX and send their children to the Mount, also lately more and more SSPX families are coming to Mass at the Mount, and they are all welcome. The Pastor at the Mount does not exclude SSPX children from the school, nor the sacraments.

So, Matto, I guess it all evens out in the end, depending on the geographics of where one lives. Which is the way the Church has always been prior to Vatican II.

St Ignatius · « **Reply #29 on:** July 12, 2016, 07:12:58 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

I am also confused about who are the OLD SSPX and the New SSPX, it seems the OLD should be the ones who are Keeping the Faith, and the New SSPX are the ones that are going toward the New Church, is that correct? Or is it the other way around?

Your former assumption is correct.