LOT - that comment was mainly referring to those R&R who dislike +Williamson.  Sedes generally are respectful of +Lefebvre.  

But, that comment also can apply to sedes.  It is not the popes place to tell us how to tie our shoes and comb our hair.  Popes have their own thorns to pluck.  

I, for one, don't obsess over it. But I often think that some Sedevacantists obsess over the issue, and rarely think of anything else. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

It would be interesting if someone would pick all the topics out that were started here about the misgivings of what Francis is doing, or saying, and looking who is reporting them, sedevacantists or SSPX.  

Maybe Matthew will have to insert another icon on our posts, not only showing who is a man or woman, but who is a sede or SSPX or otherwise in order to have a correct and accurate statistic.  

Example:  SSPX could have a miter sitting in a chair, an undecided would have a miter sitting on a fence, and a sede might have an empty chair.  

Example:  http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Pope-vows-that-he-wont-slow-down-for-Ultra-Conservatives
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Are you trying to convince the sedevacantist or yourself with this topic?

Just curious!

Convince others, of course.

Here is a parable, which kind of explains why I get upset when people attack the OLD SSPX, on this Resistance-friendly forum that regularly bashes the neo-SSPX:

John's mother, at the age of 60, decided to divorce her husband of 40 years and run off with a younger man, who also happens to be much more adventurous than her old husband ever was. Their first marriage was in the Catholic church, and certainly valid.

John was complaining about this to a few friends and coworkers of his, how this causes all kinds of problems for him, especially now that he has children of his own.

One of his co-workers pipes up, "yeah, your mother always was a whore, wasn't she!".

John punches the co-worker in the face for talking about his mother that way.

The co-worker, in disbelief, and wiping a bit of blood off his lips with his right sleeve, bellows out,

"Why did you hit me for? You're complaining about your mother. I'm on YOUR side, against her, right?"

John explains: "No, you're not. I'm complaining about a fall that took place when she was 60 years old. She married my father with all good intentions 40 years ago. She was faithful to him all those years. Until she went crazy recently, I had nothing to reproach her about. You suggest that she was always a whore, and that simply isn't true!"

What I find kind of interesting is how willing SVs are to take advantage of non-SV chapels, churches, and forums. I mean CathInfo has always been an SSPX-aligned forum and yet it's overrun by some fairly hardcore dogmatic SV's. The reality for a SV who wants to be 100% true to their convictions means that most of them will be forced to leave their Sunday obligation unfulfilled.

Am I right guys? How many of you have access to SV priests and chapels?

I was a faithful supporter of the "Old SSPX" for nearly 25 years. I must say, I was very thankful that there where SV's chapels nearby of the SSPX parish I was a member of. I couldn't have imagined spending all my time arguing about this subject after every Mass.

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What I find kind of interesting is how willing SVs are to take advantage of non-SV chapels, churches, and forums. I mean CathInfo has always been an SSPX-aligned forum and yet it's overrun by some fairly hardcore dogmatic SV's. The reality for a SV who wants to be 100% true to their convictions means that most of them will be forced to leave their Sunday obligation unfulfilled.

Am I right guys? How many of you have access to SV priests and chapels?

I was a faithful supporter of the "Old SSPX" for nearly 25 years. I must say, I was very thankful that there where SV's chapels nearby of the SSPX parish I was a member of. I couldn't have imagined spending all my time arguing about this subject after every Mass.

It's lean times for everyone, but I can just imagine how bone dry it must be for the average SV. My heart goes out to them a bit. Though, when I first started going to an SSPX chapel, I was amazed at how many SVs didn't actually go to Mass but hung out in the basement and get into arguments with anyone who would listen.

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Are you trying to convince the sedevacantist or yourself with this topic?

Just curious!

Convince others, of course.

Here is a parable, which kind of explains why I get upset when people attack the OLD SSPX, on this Resistance-friendly forum that regularly bashes the neo-SSPX:

John's mother, at the age of 60, decided to divorce her husband of 40 years and run off with a younger man, who also happens to be much more adventurous than her old husband ever was. Their first marriage was in the Catholic church, and certainly valid.

John was complaining about this to a few friends and coworkers of his, how this causes all kinds of problems for him, especially now that he has children of his own.

One of his co-workers pipes up, "yeah, your mother always was a whore, wasn't she!".

John punches the co-worker in the face for talking about his mother that way.

The co-worker, in disbelief, and wiping a bit of blood off his lips with his right sleeve, bellows out,

"Why did you hit me for? You're complaining about your mother. I'm on YOUR side, against her, right?"

John explains: "No, you're not. I'm complaining about a fall that took place when she was 60 years old. She married my father with all good intentions 40 years ago. She was faithful to him all those years. Until she went crazy recently, I had nothing to reproach her about. You suggest that she was always a whore, and that simply isn't true!"

That story is cute and all, but it doesn't change the fact that a public heretic is barred by divine law from attaining the papacy.

It's lean times for everyone, but I can just imagine how bone dry it must be for the average SV. My heart goes out to them a bit. Though, when I first started going to an SSPX chapel, I was amazed at how many SVs didn't actually go to Mass but hung out in the basement and get into arguments with anyone who would listen.

Trying to figure out if you are bragging or complaining about people who hold to the SV position are attending Mass at YOUR chapel.   Sounds a bit exclusive!

Also confused about your remark after stating the SV attend Mass but now you say they don't attend Mass just hang out in the basement and argue with whom?  Are they arguing with the SSPX people, and why are the SSPX people not attending Mass instead of arguing with the SV folks. Where do you go to Mass anyway or is this a joke?

Sorry but you lost me.  Don't take it personal, I confuse easily especially when I try to understand SSPX today!  

I am also confused about who are the OLD SSPX and the New SSPX, it seems the OLD should be the ones who are Keeping the Faith, and the New SSPX are the ones that are going toward the New Church, is that correct?  Or is it the other way around?

I am also confused about who are the OLD SSPX and the New SSPX, it seems the OLD should be the ones who are Keeping the Faith, and the New SSPX are the ones that are going toward the New Church, is that correct?  Or is it the other way around?

Your former assumption is correct.