Author Topic: The SSPX - Resistance is superior to sedevacantism (Read 27295 times)

TKGS · « **Reply #115 on:** July 14, 2016, 12:57:24 PM »

Quote from: Meg

Lover of Truth,

You implied that Archbishop Lefebvre was a Sedevacantist. So, in your view, if someone is open to the idea, then this automatically makes them an Sedevacantist?

Here's just one more example that anti-sedevacantists simply don't read anything that sedevacantists write. Either that, or they are willfully blind and will not understand what is written.

Meg · « **Reply #116 on:** July 14, 2016, 01:01:18 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: Meg
Lover of Truth,

You implied that Archbishop Lefebvre was a Sedevacantist. So, in your view, if someone is open to the idea, then this automatically makes them an Sedevacantist?

Here's just one more example that anti-sedevacantists simply don't read anything that sedevacantists write. Either that, or they are willfully blind and will not understand what is written.

Okay, I'll put the simple question to you (since Lover of Truth doesn't want to address it directly): was ABL, in your view, a Sedevacantist?

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #117 on:** July 14, 2016, 01:01:54 PM »

Bellarmine:

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"The fourth opinion is that of Cajetan, for whom (de auctor. papae et con., cap. 20 et 21) the manifestly heretical Pope is not "ipso facto" deposed, but can and must be deposed by the Church. To my judgment, this opinion cannot be defended. For, in the first place, it is proven with arguments from authority and from reason that the manifest heretic is "ipso facto" deposed. The argument from authority is based on St. Paul (Titus, c. 3), who orders that the heretic be avoided after two warnings, that is, after showing himself to be manifestly obstinate - which means before any excommunication or judicial sentence. And this is what St. Jerome writes, adding that the other sinners are excluded from the Church by sentence of excommunication, but the heretics exile themselves and separate themselves by their own act from the body of Christ. Now, a Pope who remains Pope cannot be avoided, for how could we be required to avoid our own head? How can we separate ourselves from a member united to us?

"This principle is most certain. The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope, as Cajetan himself admits (ib. c. 26). The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member; now he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian (lib. 4, epist. 2), St. Athanasius (Scr. 2 cont. Arian.), St. Augustine (lib. de great. Christ. cap. 20), St. Jerome (contra Lucifer.) and others; therefore the manifest heretic cannot be Pope.

Quite using the term "manifest heretic" great Sainted Doctor of the Church or ignorant bloggers will get mad at you.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #118 on:** July 14, 2016, 01:05:03 PM »

Quote from: Meg

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Meg
Lover of Truth,

You implied that Archbishop Lefebvre was a Sedevacantist. So, in your view, if someone is open to the idea, then this automatically makes them an Sedevacantist?

Here's just one more example that anti-sedevacantists simply don't read anything that sedevacantists write. Either that, or they are willfully blind and will not understand what is written.

Okay, I'll put the simple question to you (since Lover of Truth doesn't want to address it directly): was ABL, in your view, a Sedevacantist?

He was open to the idea.

He was open to the idea.

He was open to the idea.

Do you get it?

Do you or do you not understand the distinction between being open to the idea and actually holding the idea fast or not? Be honest if you can. Maybe you really are as ignorant as you seem. If so I apologize for the harshness of my response.

Did you read the article I sent that quotes him at leangth on this topic?

Meg · « **Reply #119 on:** July 14, 2016, 01:10:08 PM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

Quote from: Meg
Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: Meg
Lover of Truth,

You implied that Archbishop Lefebvre was a Sedevacantist. So, in your view, if someone is open to the idea, then this automatically makes them an Sedevacantist?

Here's just one more example that anti-sedevacantists simply don't read anything that sedevacantists write. Either that, or they are willfully blind and will not understand what is written.

Okay, I'll put the simple question to you (since Lover of Truth doesn't want to address it directly): was ABL, in your view, a Sedevacantist?

He was open to the idea.

He was open to the idea.

He was open to the idea.

Do you get it?

Do you or do you not understand the distinction between being open to the idea and actually holding the idea fast or not? Be honest if you can. Maybe you really are as ignorant as you seem. If so I apologize for the harshness of my response.

Did you read the article I sent that quotes him at leangth on this topic?

Thank you for answering it. But we already knew that ABL was open to it. However, you wrote this, which implies, IMO, that you believe that he was a Sedevacantist:

"As it becomes more clear, ABL considered it and spoke aloud about it but did not think that it was the right time to official declare it (even if it was true)."

The above, to me, implies that ABL believed SVism to be true, but didn't think it was the right time to declare it. Perhaps you meant that he was going to declare that he was "open to it?" But I was assuming that it was already known, by his statements, that he was "open to it". That's why I assumed that you were referring to the former....that he believed SVism to be true. Do you see what I'm trying to explain?