Author Topic: The SSPX - Resistance is superior to sedevacantism (Read 26477 times)

MyrnaM · « **Reply #100 on:** July 14, 2016, 09:43:02 AM »

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The personal virtues of Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. De Castro Mayer do not somehow prove the resistance position to be correct.

In contrast, the lack of personal virtue in Thuc and Schuckardt doesn't make the SV position incorrect, would you say?

Archbishop Thuc was a very holy person, you should look into this talk about him from a person very close to him. Rev. Father Francis Miller, OFM:
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Fr. Miller entered the Franciscan
Order at the recommendation of his
spiritual director Msgr. Hodgeson
in 1980. He was the first novice and
solemnly professed member of his
traditional Franciscan community.
When Archbishop Thuc joined the
household in 1982, Fr. Miller and one
other Brother were assigned to look
after the bishop’s needs and to assist
him. Currently the pastor of Christ
the King Church in Lafayette, Louisiana,
Father Francis will share with
us his recollections of the late Archbishop
Thuc.

If you want to talk about the late Archbishop Thuc, you should look into what he represented. He has suffered much when he was trying to hold on to the Faith, and is truly a modern day Saint.

As far as Schuckardt is concerned; SSPX has its own dirt to deal with right now, and also I am shocked to read that SSPX accepts annulments from the novus ordo. That is not HOLY. I am sure any of you would be just a shocked to discover this out.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=41485&f=8&min=20&num=10
One of the reasons people left CMRI was because they could not get their anulment so perhaps they ran to SSPX. There are other reasons also, just as people leave SSPX, that is a silly point to make, thinking SSPX is superior. When Our Lord returns, He even mentioned there won't be numbers around holding the Faith. So don't put too much into numbers.

I don't know why God used Schuckardt to be His instrument in the finding of CMRI, just like I don't know why God picked Judas to be one of His Apostles. CMRI has been truly blessed by God since Schuckardt left, we are starting new chapels North, South, East and West. We are alive with vocations, both men and women enter our religious order.

You will know them by their fruits, Our Lord said, and the fruits of CMRI have been good. Our Bishop doesn't waste his time talking against other Traditional groups, nor their Bishops to the laity. I am sure he has discussed issues at their priestly meetings behind closed doors. I wouldn't know, since I am not the fly on the wall. He does not go around writing papers against them nor making youtubes about the sins of other Traditionalist.

The only reason people here WANT to see something bad about CMRI is because they don't understand the true meaing of charity and they make up lies. Vengeance is mine so says Our Lord, BEWARE!

Thanks, Myrna, for giving another perspective on Thuc. However, you still believe that God used Schuckardt who, by accounts here a very sinful (evil?) man, to found an group blessed by God. When has this happened elsewhere in the history of the Church?

I don't know the entire history of the Church, but Judas comes to my mind.

Maybe even Bishop Fellay?

Meg · « **Reply #101 on:** July 14, 2016, 09:54:24 AM »

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Thanks, Myrna, for giving another perspective on Thuc. However, you still believe that God used Schuckardt who, by accounts here a very sinful (evil?) man, to found an group blessed by God. When has this happened elsewhere in the history of the Church?

I don't know the entire history of the Church, but Judas comes to my mind.

I don't think that Judas lived long enough to found a group of men that was supposedly blessed by God. And wasn't Satan working through Judas? I seem to recall that somewhere in sacred scripture.

Isn't it possible, that when focusing so much on the chair of Peter being empty, that other things that are important just don't get top priority? (And no, I'm not saying that SV's themselves cannot be virtuous).

I know that truth is important to SV's. But can truth really be detached from virtue?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #102 on:** July 14, 2016, 10:09:39 AM »

My point was that Jesus who knows all things still picked Judas, to be an apostle and later allowed him to be replaced.

The reason as you say focus on the Chair being empty, is because that is what you and others focus on regarding SV.

Cantarella · « **Reply #103 on:** July 14, 2016, 10:22:46 AM »

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The personal virtues of Abp. Lefebvre and Bp. De Castro Mayer do not somehow prove the resistance position to be correct.

In contrast, the lack of personal virtue in Thuc and Schuckardt doesn't make the SV position incorrect, would you say?

Archbishop Thuc was a very holy person, you should look into this talk about him from a person very close to him. Rev. Father Francis Miller, OFM:
Quote
Fr. Miller entered the Franciscan
Order at the recommendation of his
spiritual director Msgr. Hodgeson
in 1980. He was the first novice and
solemnly professed member of his
traditional Franciscan community.
When Archbishop Thuc joined the
household in 1982, Fr. Miller and one
other Brother were assigned to look
after the bishop’s needs and to assist
him. Currently the pastor of Christ
the King Church in Lafayette, Louisiana,
Father Francis will share with
us his recollections of the late Archbishop
Thuc.

If you want to talk about the late Archbishop Thuc, you should look into what he represented. He has suffered much when he was trying to hold on to the Faith, and is truly a modern day Saint.

As far as Schuckardt is concerned; SSPX has its own dirt to deal with right now, and also I am shocked to read that SSPX accepts annulments from the novus ordo. That is not HOLY. I am sure any of you would be just a shocked to discover this out.
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=41485&f=8&min=20&num=10
One of the reasons people left CMRI was because they could not get their anulment so perhaps they ran to SSPX. There are other reasons also, just as people leave SSPX, that is a silly point to make, thinking SSPX is superior. When Our Lord returns, He even mentioned there won't be numbers around holding the Faith. So don't put too much into numbers.

I don't know why God used Schuckardt to be His instrument in the finding of CMRI, just like I don't know why God picked Judas to be one of His Apostles. CMRI has been truly blessed by God since Schuckardt left, we are starting new chapels North, South, East and West. We are alive with vocations, both men and women enter our religious order.

You will know them by their fruits, Our Lord said, and the fruits of CMRI have been good. Our Bishop doesn't waste his time talking against other Traditional groups, nor their Bishops to the laity. I am sure he has discussed issues at their priestly meetings behind closed doors. I wouldn't know, since I am not the fly on the wall. He does not go around writing papers against them nor making youtubes about the sins of other Traditionalist.

The only reason people here WANT to see something bad about CMRI is because they don't understand the true meaing of charity and they make up lies. Vengeance is mine so says Our Lord, BEWARE!

Thanks, Myrna, for giving another perspective on Thuc. However, you still believe that God used Schuckardt who, by accounts here a very sinful (evil?) man, to found an group blessed by God. When has this happened elsewhere in the history of the Church?

I don't know the entire history of the Church, but Judas comes to my mind.

Oh, come on Myrna!, your comparison between the CMRI's founder to Judas does not favor the CMRI in any way. It is actually quite counterproductive to your argument. I guess you did not understand the question? It is OK not to respond sometimes, instead of replying the first silly thing that comes to mind.

Alexandria · « **Reply #104 on:** July 14, 2016, 11:00:46 AM »

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Wait a sec, who here is a supporter of Schuckardt? Should you feel obligated to defend his character as a SV? All theological discussion aside for a moment, who needs this guy around?

For your information he is not around, he has been judged by God already.

In spite of his evil deeds, he did wake up a myriad of souls, he also caused a myriad of souls confusion and lose of Faith. Who is denying that? CMRI does not try to wiggle out of Schuckardt and that is what makes you so flaming mad. You want to glory in the fact that CMRI make excuses for his evil behavior.

It is more evil in the eyes of God to pretend that your pope is Catholic and admit he is a heretic on a public forum such as this: that is tantamount of coming out and saying God has not kept His promise; the Church has failed. Your kind boasts of belonging to the Church, but your can't belong to the One, True Church and the Evil, New Church which was spawn by Lucifer at the same time. They even name their new telescope LUCIFER, which is operated by the Vatican Observatory located on Mount Graham in Arizona ... as they wait for the aliens to save them. Some religion you brag to be united too.

Don't talk about Schuckardt sins till your camp gets their act together and figures out who they really are.

One reason people are afraid of SV is because of human respect. It is popular to belong to what the world sees as Catholic. You know what God says about those who choose human respect over truth, if not, do some research.

The Chair of Peter is empty of a Catholic, face it!

They're in no position to talk about FS considering the deviants they hire to teach in their schools and act as camp counselors.

Lots of truth to the old saying that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Or, as St. Paul put it best: let he who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.