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Offline Stephen Francis

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Dorothy Day, Newchurch error and common sense:
« on: November 14, 2012, 04:20:45 PM »
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    How in the world can someone read about Ratzinger's continued approval of the investigation into Dorothy Day's so-called 'sanctity' [sic] and still think this man has a shred of Catholic faith?

    I know that beatifications and canonizations are not infallible (and even if they were, Ratzinger's wouldn't qualify IMO because he is not a pope, a bishop, a priest or a Catholic).

    However, in order for someone like Ratzinger to even arrive at the conclusion that someone like Day was even Catholic, let alone heroically so, he would have to ignore, obfuscate, spin and/or accept so many anti-Catholic, anti-Christ principles that it simply staggers the imagination.

    Never mind her praise of Stalin and other atheistic Communists. Never mind her dogmatically illegal "common law" marriage to an atheist. Never mind her insistence that Communism and the teachings of Christ and His Church were somehow compatible.

    Simply put, the thing that strikes me as unbelievable is that a Freemason, namely Roncalli, was man enough and seemingly Catholic enough to tell Ms. Day to stop using the word "Catholic" in the title of her "movement" and in her writings.

    How is it that ANYONE could have LESS Catholic sense than a Freemason who was still intelligent enough to condemn Day's falsehoods as not Catholic?

    Just ranting. Ratzinger and his ilk make me sick.

    Immaculate Heart of Mary, triumph soon!

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar

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    Dorothy Day, Newchurch error and common sense:
    « Reply #1 on: November 14, 2012, 04:23:50 PM »
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  • What anti-Catholic principles? Distributism? And what praise of atheism or Communism?
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    « Reply #2 on: November 14, 2012, 05:19:17 PM »
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  • What anti-Catholic principles?

    How about ignoring an excommunication and associating with the excommunicate (namely in-Fidel Castro)? Holy Church tells us that once the Church pronounces someone cut off from Her, we are to treat them as unbelievers. The only communication with them fitting for a Catholic would be to call the excommunicate to repentance and confession and abjuration of their sins.

    What praise of atheism? Day lived in that sinful, wicked common-law state with an atheist "husband". Doesn't seem like much of an effort to convert him, does it, especially when she bore his children? There are few ways that someone could be more intimately united with a person, and it is clear that conjugal union with an infidel is not sanctioned at all by the Church. I really don't see how anyone could get around that.

    What praise of Communism? Referring to Stalin and others as "secular saints"?

    How about the fact that Day never hesitated to refer to herself as an ANARCHIST. Anarchy is laughably anti-Catholic.

    I'm not sure why anyone would be defending Dorothy Day's beatification by a known heretic like Wojtyla. Whatever Day was, she was disobedient to her superiors and supportive of political and social movements which had their roots in secularism and anti-Church sentiment.

    **NOTE** I retract completely my criticism of Day's common-law marriage; it began and ended before her conversion to the Catholic Faith. I apologize for my oversight of that fact when reading about her.

    QVP, also, please understand that I may have rushed to some criticism because whenever Newchurch proposes someone as a model of ANYTHING, I get riled up over how many souls they will continue to deceive.

    I am not above correction on any of these matters AND I am VERY certainly ready and willing to learn more that could change my opinion on any of these facts.

    It's situations like these that make the falsehoods of Newchurch so much harder for me to bear; I am so bereft of avenues of spiritual growth and direction as I journey towards communion with Holy Church that all of these actions by Her enemies just get me very angry. I covet all your prayers.
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    Dorothy Day, Newchurch error and common sense:
    « Reply #3 on: November 14, 2012, 05:53:07 PM »
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  • "Maurin's Program"
    By Dorothy Day
    The Catholic Worker, June-July 1933, 4.  
    Summary: (DOC #266) Outlines Peter Maurin's three step program of social reconstruction (round table discussions, houses of hospitality, farm colonies) led by the laity working out the principles in the Popes' encyclicals on social justice.


    MAURIN'S PROGRAM Read on...  
    http://www.catholicworker.org/dorothyday/daytext.cfm?TextID=266

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    « Reply #4 on: November 14, 2012, 06:04:19 PM »
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  • Stephen Francis,

    Your second post didn't appear until after I had posted. I commend your humble retraction of your comments about DD's family life. You may be interested to know that also had an abortion of which she later repented.
    I have had an interest in her and she has an attraction for me in her selfless devotion to the poor.

    I also understand your angry reaction to the falsehoods of newchurch. I reserve my judgement on DD until I learn more.

    I believe that she could well be in Heaven now.


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  • From an article posted on Cathinfo:

    Day & Cuba

    Day did state “God Bless the priests and people of Cuba. God bless Castro and all those who are seeing Christ in the poor.” (Catholic Worker, July-Aug. 1961) She visited Cuba in 1962, three years after the revolution, and did observe some good occurring in the social order on a purely natural level. Prior to the revolution Cuba was dominated by the United States and a handful of wealthy Cuban families. Over 75% of land was owned by 8% of the population. Day saw private property being extended by Castro’s regime both in terms of housing and land, with a growth of agricultural smallholdings and farming cooperatives. She believed that the Cuban regime “is bending all its efforts to make a good life for the people, a naturally good life (on which grace can build)” (Catholic Worker, Oct. 1962; emphasis mine) and prayed that “grace will build on the good natural, and that the Church will be free to function, giving us the sacraments.” (Catholic Worker, Sept. 1962) Day “was able to participate in Mass each day, and that everywhere she found people involved in the Church and willing to talk about both the inspirations and problems they found as believers in revolutionary Cuba.” (Forest, J. op.cit., p.106) However, in spite of sympathy for certain aspects of the regime Day did not perceive Cuba as anything remotely resembling a Catholic social order and declared that “she could not be on the side of a regime which favours the extirpation of religion.” (Catholic Worker, Sept. 1962)

    Dr. Byrne declares that Day’s sympathies with aspects of revolutionary Cuba illustrate “the ambivalent nature of her thinking on the issue of peaceful revolution.” However, Day rejected claims that in expressing sympathy for Cuba that the Catholic Worker had renounced its pacifism, stating that “we are as unalterably opposed to armed resistance and armed revolt from the admittedly intolerable conditions all through Latin America as we ever were.” (Catholic Worker, Sept. 1962) Dr. Byrne in footnote 40 of her second article, highlights the totalitarian nature of revolutionary Cuba by outlining Castro’s role in revising the Penal Code which allowed the government to execute or imprison at will any “enemies of the people.” However, she fails to point out that Day herself had condemned these policies. Day declared in the light of this revision of the Penal Code that the Catholic Worker is against “capital punishment whether it takes place in our own country or in Russia or Cuba. We are against mass imprisonments whether it is of delinquents or counter revolutionaries.” (ibid.) Day did not hesitate to condemn many aspects of Castro’s regime, stating “I hate the arms build-up in Cuba as I hate it in my own country, the waste of intelligence, the waste of resources. Incredible sums are poured into destruction that should be used for schools, hospitals, the development of new and better institutions. I hate to think of prisoners still in Cuban prisons, and of the “shanty towns” which have sprung up in the gardens of the embassies where fugitives full of fear are also imprisoned … I hate to see women especially proudly bearing arms.” (Catholic Worker, Feb. 1963) Catholic schools had been taken over by Castro’s government and secularised. Day opposed this takeover but, as with Spain, sought solutions through spiritual means. She encouraged Cuban Catholics to intensify their love of God and trust in Divine Providence, believing “in one’s own courage, in the effectiveness of prayer to build up courage.” (Catholic Worker, Nov. 1962) Day highlighted the hypocrisy of Catholics who condemned Castro’s regime while fostering a militarism that justifies killing in the name of Christ or His Church. This “Catholic” teaching was “the only kind Fidel Castro ever had, the good Catholic is also the good soldier.” (Catholic Worker, Sept. 1962) Day stated that “until we ourselves as followers of Christ abjure the use of war as a means of achieving justice and truth, we Catholics are going to get nowhere, in criticizing men who are using war to change the social order.” (Catholic Worker, July-August 1962)
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    As to referring to Stalin as a "secular saint," you truly better have a citation for that, because in all I've seen, Day was a fierce anti-Communist, although agreeing that Communism came from Capitalism.

    Many things that you say, Stephen, come from propaganda disparaging Day, especially that bit about an atheist husband.
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